I'd stay with 160/30's

160/80's will possibly need a new hpop and more fuel as well.

160/30's will run fine with the stock fuel and hpo system. Plus egts are manageable and you can tow heavy.

You won't have to worry pmrs at that power level.

 

Depending on what you use the truck for you could consider a small hybrid injector. A hybrid injector uses less high pressure oil for volume of fuel moved. Many run a 200cc hybrid no problem on even a 15° hpop.
A 200/100 would leave room for growth latter on.

 

I agree with above - Check with @Corey@CNCFAB , one of our Supporting Vendors for pricing & availability.

 

Being that you have an '02, you more than likely have a PMR engine, 160/30's are a perfect fit for you're existing mods.

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160/30's for sure.

With 160/30's

1-egt will depend on tune and load your pulling. No towing ability is lost at all.
2-could see a little bit for sure.
3-setup would be great. In theory you could detune them a little bit but it wouldn't even be noticed and no you wouldn't want to do that anyways.
4-pis continues to have a good reputation and that's who corey sells. Don't use who did mine as customer service has become garbage.
5-you will be 100% fine with this setup and pmr's. I have been for 27k miles ����

 

I love the ideas. If I went with the 160/30, is there room for improvement later on? Or would I be better off getting the 160/80 and having them tuned down a bit and if I wanted to do hpop and fuel upgrades later I can?

 

Also, what will the 160/30 give me over the 160/80? Thank you for all the help!

 

You could have 160/80's detuned.

Fuel pressure would need to be addressed right away if pressure drops too low.

With your set up 160/30's and good tunes is a solid 400hp tuck

160/80's are going to get you 425-430 hp.

 

Read this before you buy any injector.
http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/99...ts/1157009-detuning-large-injector-nozzles-how-pick-injector-size-upgrades.html

I would say get the 160/30 if you are gonna tow. I have 175/80 and i battle EGT towing. It has power out the @ss but if i give it everything it has it will melt the motor. The PHP heavy tow tune is good at EGT control but you will be the last one up the hill. The medium tow tune is AWESOME at power but watch your EGT with a heavy load. I have a 11,000lbs 5th wheel and it is a balancing act. Im not sure how the ZF6 will change things. I have an auto. But with 35" tires that will hurt you on towing if you have stock gears. Again my experience is with an auto so I'm not sure the difference with a manual and larger tires.

 

I agree. Iv hauled some heavy loads and some what battled with EGT on the heavy tow. Iv found when hauling heavy, the lower tow tunes do better for the truck. Do
you run PHP tunes with the injectors?

 

Thank you so very much for all the info. From what Iv read anything over 400 on the PMR rods are like dancing with the devil. I'm not looking for anything to crazy, just something to pep up the truck, be a strong tow rig, and something that smokes a little bit more then a tune.

 

yeah i have PHP Tunes

 

What tunes are you running with PHP?

 

Awesome. So my last question is if I went with 160/30, if I wanted to upgrade hpop and fuel later down the road, would those injectors work well wth those or would I be better off getting the 160/80 and have that room for improvement later if I wanted? Thanks all for the help and advice it's greatly appreciated!

 

There is ZERO gain to go with an 80% nozzle. Hence why PIS (who I carry) doesnt even offer them.

Ill have a set of these coming to the shop here soon.

 

The power difference between those two is 25-30hp.

The bigger injector puts you more in the danger zone for issues with pmrs.

 

Oh wow. That's not much at all. I don't know if the bigger nozzles are worth living on the edge for 30 extra HP

 

Few The nozzle size only dictates how fast the fuel can be injected. A larger nozzle can help in the upper rpm range where the injection window is smaller. Just because you have a 200cc injector does not means you will be injecting all of the fuel injectors capacity. That is done with the tune. The calibration (tune) will control how long and at what pressure the injector will inject at. A larger nozzles to a point have their pros and cons. A larger nozzle can have reduced egts and sometimes better smoke control but there are many variables involved. Down side is the larger the nozzle the more critical the tuning.

PMRs don't suffer from a HP problem they get killed by too much Torque. Torque is caused by elevated cylinder pressures. Too much fuel with too much advanced timing at the wrong time such as heavy load at low rpms = BOOM BADA BANG.

Many have ran larger hybrids on PMRs but like everything tuning is critical. Good tuning will make or break any setup and means the difference between a fun truck to drive or a miserable hair pulling experience. A 160/30 standard A code is a good injector for someone who just wants a drop in and load a tune and go setup.

BTW many have ran 238/200 hybrids and such on PMRs and keep them alive with good tuning that pulls fuel out where it causes damage.

 

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Those look sweet. Anyone have any experience with them? Is there any brand that's better or recommended more? I know PIS is one any others? I can't thank you all enough for the great input and knowledge!

 

Most will agree p.i.s. Are top quality injectors and order them from Corey you can't go wrong.

Those 160/30's are what I am getting when I can afford them.

 

So one last question guys.. my truck is lifted and I do tow with it. The heaviest I usually tow is about once a year 12-13k lbs up in the mountains. I grew up in a trucking family so I know hauling is one thing you can't hot foot. I'm just nervous about getting to hot. I thought I was set on 160/30 but a few people (Jody from DP and also PHP) both had recommended 160/stock. Any suggestions ?? Thanks all!!

 

Also, what is the benefit or drawback from going to stock tips??

 

First of all the 160/0 injector is the same as an AC code injector which came in the higher output T444E. This means you can get a replacement injector over the counter from international and some auto part stores. Any nozzled injector you are not getting a replacement part across a counter. Stock nozzles are easier to tune. The larger the nozzles the more critical the tune. Stock nozzles are tapped out around 380 ish hp. A 160/30 is a common injector and plenty good for 400hp. 30% nozzles are not much bigger than stock. After that there are bigger A codes, B codes, and hybrids. Lots of choices. Some do tow with hybrids but they are more critical of the tuning to maintain drivability.


As far as getting it too hot any injector can be detuned with tuning. Such as a tow tune and a hot street tune the flip of the switch.

 

I love learning about all this stuff. Thank you for your knowledge and input. Do you know why they would be recommending 160/0 instead of the 160/30? Liability on them? I just don't want to get something and then not be able to tow whatever and to wherever to the trucks capability if need be.

 

The 160/30 is dubbed "tow master" for a reason. Just sayin....

 

The 160/30 is dubbed "tow master" for a reason. Just sayin....

I guess that makes the decision easy then lol thank you!

 

An upgraded turbo would take all worry out of the equation.

I'm not sure what your budget is but a 38r or kc38r would clean those up great and keep egts low

 

There's a 38r on the truck now. Been on there for a while I believe

 

Then you have nothing to worry about. Your all set to rock and roll

 

Awesome! Thank you all for all the input and knowledge it is greatly appreciated!!

 

I plan on getting 180/100 injectors in the future along with a KC turbo. Will I still be able to tow heavy with the right tuning?

 

So a 175/80 is the biggest I should go.

If you want to tow don't get these. I tow and have 175/80 and wish i would of gotten 160/30 for towing. If you want to tow and not worry about it get 160/30. or if you want get some 160/30 and i will swap you for my 175/80.

 

Plenty have towed heavy with that size. With any injector the right tuning will be the difference between a smokey hot gutless turd or an efficient powerhouse.