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Tuner for 6.4 in canada?

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Curious what you guys are using as a tuner for your 6.4?

I'm from canada so I would ideally like to source something in canada since the conversion rate and duty from usd often isn't worth it.

the sct x4 and the bully dog are both closeish in price on the lower end - is there any reason to spend more on a tuner?

Curious what people are using for their tuner to enable deletes, I'm not really looking to overtune my truck, altho I hear of some tuners doing things like running the v8 engine as a v4 to get better fuel economy when not hauling loads, is this a thing or worth looking at?
 
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To my knowledge Bully Dog does not support deletes which if I recall in your other post you believe has already been done.
 
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To be honest at this point I'm not totally sure, since I read you would need to have a tuner in order to delete the dpf without it going into protection mode or not starting - so I'm wondering if the cut in the side was to unclog it and the dpf is still working?

Or it could have possibly been flashed instead of having a tuner is the other option I would assume?

New to the tuner game, but if bully dog doesn't support deletes than I should be looking at the sct x4?

Basically I need a tuner to do deletes to start this whole process.

I want to do a straight pipe delete the cat+dpf, than the egr and ccv to free air.

Picking up some royal purple today and gona do a oil change,oil filter change and both fuel filters, take photos of them, and post on the OG post.
 
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Most if not all tuning on these trucks is flash tuning. So you don't "need" the tuner after flashing it but it definitely helps troubleshooting issues later on being able to return it to stock or if you for some reason lose the tune.
 
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I'd like to find a tuner that could do a bit more with a heads up display so I can see things like my temps and stats of everything.

A buddy of mine has a tuner for his ram 1500 and he has a mode he uses that disables firing gas in half his pistons to reduce the amount of gas he uses on highway driving with no load and a empty box. Curious if this is even a thing with diesels, it must be right?
 
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To my knowledge that isn't a thing with diesel trucks. Alot of people don't like using their tuners as monitors for two reasons.

1.) They don't do a great job of tracking the data or reading some of it correctly but I believe that is more for troubleshooting issues and a problem more there.

2.) If for some reason someone smashes the window and just grabs your "monitor" now you are out your tunes and tuning device.

Alot of people just buy a secondary monitor such as an Edge monitor (more expensive option), or download Torque or Forscan on an old phone or tablet and use that as a monitor (really affordable)
 
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Thats not so bad of an idea, phones and tablets are cheap as hell for older ones so I could probably sort that out rather quickly... That would just be for monitoring tho? I'd still need to sort out a tuner than?

TBH the display would be nice but I really need the tuner to be able to do these deletes... I'd just ideally like my tuner to do both if I'm already spending money on it.

Called local ford dealership and they are actually open today and have the 3 filters and oil cap I need so I'm going to go grab those and the royal purple in a hour or two.

Not gona lie tho bloody expensive for what they are, $99 for the two filters and$59 for the one, $60 something for the cap. Feels a bit silly paying that for some paper coils.... But so much counterfeit motorcraft stuff on amazon and ebay I don't really trust buying them for less.
 
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Yeah I hear ya on not wanting to spend twice, but the tablet/phone method does much better monitoring and for around $50-$60 (US) you can have a nice monitor setup. The deleting is another issue. Just trying to give you all your options.
 
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Honestly thanks for that, I do actually appreciate your time giving me more options to look into since I am pretty new to the diesel game so I appreciate any advise or tips worth looking into.

For sure a refreshing change from folks trolling me or telling me to sell/part/get rid of asap haha.
 
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Hey, Ive got a dashdaqXL. It shows everything you would want to see in terms of info on the truck. I have files from Spartan which I know you can’t get any more but I do have the files backed up on the pc and I do have seven or so tunes that run the DPF off I believe the EGR‘s turn off from the 250 up to the 310 tune but I’m not sure. If you want to delete it and put a straight pipe on you can do it with those tunes you could probably find one on Kijiji or eBay for pretty cheap and honestly they plug right into the OBD and they just run live info you can get pretty much everything you need. (Canadian btw) Hope this helps:)

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I pull info up on my kenwood excelon via maestro, it’s handy but not common for most. There used to be a member here from your direction that did such things but he’s no longer active in the community. Not sure who to tell you to talk to. I’m kinda of in a similar situation, due to my turbo/injector/pump setup I haven’t found many willing to write a tune, even a shop I worked with tuning my old truck remotely while it was on the dyno.
 
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I'm hearing lots of good things about the mini max, some folks on fb forums have used the v2 to do deletes, however, I hear you can't do custom tunes on it like you can on the v1 so I'm trying to find a v1 used... found a couple of them used locally 250-500 so I'm prob gona jump on one of these since it seems like the best budget to performance option since the v2 is normally 1150 new canadian.

I just picked up 3 jugs of royal purple that oddly enough added up to 14.19L that is 0.01L under the 14.2L requirements for the engine to stay under. Normally this stuff costs twice what other oil is, but for some reason these jugs where on sale for $50/cad/ea when they are normally$80-90/cad/ea so it actually turned out to be around the same cost as a 15l tub of t6 folks seem to be using.

Kinda expecting to have to change my oil filter sooner than normal after the royal purple change, I looked in the tail pipe today and man its dark n sooty in there... The more I look at this the more I think the dpf is actually intact but I can't prove what tune is on it to know if the dpf has been deleted or if its still functioning... Guess I won't know till I tare it off and the cat for a straight pipe.
 
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Just a heads up that the mini max has literally been out of business for almost a decade now. So there is NO such thing as a "new" mini max. Alot of people ran them on the 6.4s when they were still active but the EPA got that company shutdown. Now looking on the forums alot there are multiple issues coming out of bricked ECMs or bricked tuners from these. Not saying don't pull the trigger on one but definitely do your research on it. The tuner and tunes is the thing that needs to be researched the most out of all of this. That and which platform you are going to be tuning, (but you all already made the poor choice of a 6.4). Just kidding with ya.

I would personally be looking for an SCT and reaching out to tuners for that. I believe there is a company up that way that still writes deletes (or at least that's who wrote mine for my 6.7).

Edit: If you got soot in the tailpipe then that is a good indicator of a deleted DPF.
 
#16 ·
Check out dirty diesel in kelowna
Most local shops can just load a tune for you, so there is no need to buy a tuner
I have a 6.4 and a 6.7 and don't own a tuner
Just edge monitor in each truck

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Good to know but I'm on the island so a trip to kelowna in this truck would cost me more than the tuner haha.

He has plans of building a backup motor to replace this one when it gives out. So to be able to tune the second motor he would be beneficial to have an actual tuner rather than the one off flash from a shop, but that isn't a bad option especially since at the moment Canada is nicer about this than the good ol USA.
Yeah I really feel like having my own tuner would be good to have, I'm curious what people do about flash tuning tho, I guess thats a entirely different tuner, cuz if you unplug a mini max than your tune is gone with the tuner right?
 
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He has plans of building a backup motor to replace this one when it gives out. So to be able to tune the second motor he would be beneficial to have an actual tuner rather than the one off flash from a shop, but that isn't a bad option especially since at the moment Canada is nicer about this than the good ol USA.
 
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I have no idea about the mini max. I believe they are only flash tuners also but I don't bother learning about them since as we have told you before that company has been extinct for the better part of a decade. I would seriously consider not using that tuning platform.
 
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oof most forums admins are the people putting a stop to the spamming not the ones leading the charge in it :p

What you guys know about "kem 310 / 345" tunes? Looking at sled pull guys talk and thinking I might go this direction since that seems like a fairly decent stress test and the folks who do them see alot of 6.4 both good and bad.
 
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#20 ·
Can I do the deletes and kem 345 tune with this tuner?
 
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Theres a "SCT Xcalibrator 2 Flash Tuner" near me for $100

Is this old enough to be able to delete? Or can it load modern custom tunes? I hear its the same tune files for sct 2/3/4 so this could work in theory?
 
#22 ·
It doesn't necessarily only depend on the age of the actual tuner but is more reliant on the latest update of the firmware on said tuner. I wish there was more help for your tuning questions here but this forum is just not in the business of putting out public info on tuners to help get them shut down. Whether that be right or wrong is just not worth the risk for the most part. I do hope you continue to update us on how your build and everything goes/comes along.
 
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Buddy of mine has a HP MPVI3 tuner so I'm now look into how to either use the hp tuner properly to delete or find someone who actually knows what they are doing enough to do a tune.
 
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That's not a bad route if you got some tech chops. It interests me but also not enough for me to try and learn to do it.
 
#25 ·
I'm in Canada as well and I have used a Mini Max until it got wet from condensation then it was a brick, after that I found a Black Max, it does the exact same thing as the mini max. You can mod you air in and exhaust system very easily with either device. If you were to do a dpf delete and cold air intake, either device can add an additional 300hp, at least that is what the manual the devices come with say. There are obviously many other options as well.