I feel your pain , sometimes it sucks to have to pay out on a calculated risk
chin up and get er fixed

 

That sucks. I had to search the fix you referenced as my old 7.3 was gone before this issue ever came up. Sometimes a good idea will bite you in the wallet. Hopefully it’s not too bad.

 

It's been a long time since I had a 7.3L. I think I see the problem. It's supposed to be the 50-cent trick; you can't cheap out on repairs like this.

Actually, that is something I'd never do, unfortunately, for your reasons. I know it has been promoted on all the forums, but wedging something in a high-vibration environment that is oily does not have a good long term chance. If you are going to put something like this in an area that can have bad consequences, don't. Sorry for the salt in the wound.

When mine had an issue, I used a wire tie to hold it; then, I bought the kits from Ford. They have never been that expensive. The wire ties have to be small ones, preferably oil resistant. I did not trust them long term though. I know some people used stainless or monel wire, but again, they are metal.

For anyone in the future that finds this.

 

I'd never heard of this trick before, had to look it up. NOTHING about it sounds like a good idea. Back in the '80's I knew a guy who destroyed cars faster than anyone I've ever encountered, and this sounds like something he would have come up with.

 

Yeah well unfortunately it's a well well well well known trick that almost all BIG NAMES like diesel Ron , Bill at Power stroke Help and dozens and dozens of others have repeatedly shown being done for the oem UVCH fix. I didn't just pull this idea from a backyard mechanic who only owns vice grips and duck tape. 100's of people have done this truck for over 30 years without issue. I am just that guy who falls in the small % that every single time I try to save a buck it cost me a $1000. But if I didn't know better it would sound crazy to me. Ford techs have done this trick at dealerships decades

I'd never heard of this trick before, had to look it up. NOTHING about it sounds like a good idea. Back in the '80's I knew a guy who destroyed cars faster than anyone I've ever encountered, and this sounds like something he would have come up with

 

Well, first,,, the idea comes from an Excellent source who's experience with Ford engines and his insight into them goes unquestioned....

Here's the specifics and, I would think that with what's approaching 1/2 Million views, it's something that's been done to an awful lot of engines (I did mine 10yrs ago )

(As Always,,, YMMV)

 

Well, first,,, the idea comes from an Excellent source who's experience with Ford engines and his insight into them goes unquestioned....

Here's the specifics and, I would think that with what's approaching 1/2 Million views, it's something that's been done to an awful lot of engines (I did mine 10yrs ago )

(As Always,,, YMMV)

A stupid idea is a stupid idea, no matter who came up with it, how many times the video's been viewed or how many people have done it - it's still a stupid idea.

Would I do it if I absolutely had to, like the time a buddy of mine was ten miles north of Tamiami Trail in the middle of the Big Cypress National Preserve, grenaded a u-joint on his Jeep and used baling wire to hold the yokes together long enough to limp back to pavement? Sure. But when I can go to the parts counter and buy a new one?

If it came like that from the factory and one out of twenty thousand failed and wrecked the engine, the internet would explode with people *****ing about how dumbass the engineers were and screaming for a class-action suit.

 

It doesn't make it a good idea.

Unquestioned? No one is unquestioned. There's a front cover video he has that's a bad idea.

And I suppose you don't wear a seatbelt either.

I highly respect the man for what he did. I had conversations with him; I sent money to support him when he was alive and after his passing. But no one is perfect.

Putting a friggin quarter there has a potential ......

 

And I suppose you don't wear a seatbelt either.

even ten years from now

 

To me, that's a problem not discussing it. Not today, not ten years, not ever?

Having worked in accident construction, having interfaced with families who have lost sons, daughters, mothers, and fathers, and people disabled for life, it's never too soon.

From everything observable, Ron was a great husband and father to the family, humanely and financially. And also to the automotive world. He provided so much to the 7.3L and 6.0L communities that what could have been in the later years is almost inconceivable. I've not found anyone who really takes his place. But still, most important, to his family.

We all take chances; we all make mistakes. From his son's telling, he did that often, judging when it was safe or not.

I get upset about the loss to family and community whenever I look at his videos or mention. That did not have to happen. For NoRalPh to try to shove that in my face because he said to use a quarter makes it unequivocably an acceptable situation, never to be questioned; that's a trigger point, not withheld.

 

For NoRalPh to try to shove that in my face because he said to use a quarter makes it unequivocably an acceptable situation, never to be questioned; that's a trigger point, not withheld.

Whoa, whoa, whoa,,, "Shove in your Face"? Who did that?

My response, and here maybe I should have use the "Quote" function, was to this ('cause this did not, in any way, describe Ron).

Back in the '80's I knew a guy who destroyed cars faster than anyone I've ever encountered, and this sounds like something he would have come up with.

This might actually fit PowerStroke Bill though!

I didn't just pull this idea from a backyard mechanic who only owns vice grips and duck tape. 100's of people have done this truck for over 30 years without issue.

"100's of people"? I have no idea how we'd get any kind of accurate count, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were thousands of times that...

 

I question how an experienced Ford Diesel tech who knows about the service clips would do this sh!t in the first place. NOT what you should expect from a dealer repair. I really hope that he never did that on a customer's truck.

 

Power Stroke Help... not a great example.

 

I'm not questioning anyone's abilities or knowledge, especially diesel tech Ron who I've relied upon numerous times. Like I said this trick is well known and 99% works fine "as it did for me also" . I'm not blaming anyone except myself. Just one of those things that you "almost" never here about happening. I was just trying to make a point about well known mechanics have used this trick and it wasn't a crazy idea that nobody tried before. Just. Want u to know I meant no disrespect to anyone this is on me and me only

 

Guys, guys, please, let's not be too quick to take offense, I'm sure no one intended to give it.

(And yeah, I'm sure that eventually I'm likely to need y'all to remind me of that as well.)


For my part I certainly didn't intend to imply that I thought that you (or anyone else) was stupid or crazy for trying this or for coming up with it. I know a lot of people who are neither stupid nor crazy, but a bunch (all?) of them (myself included) have come up with or tried ideas that are objectively stupid and/or crazy. It's part of the human condition.

And yeah, it's about that 99% (or 99.9%, or 99.99%) part. I've had a long career doing (among other things) failure mode effects analysis in the design of parts, sweating about the kinds of details you need to consider to get failure rates as close to zero as possible, so to me one failure in 10,000 is a really high number. Maybe I look at things from a different perspective than most, but (as you've unfortunately experienced here) the fact that 9,999 folks have dodged the bullet is no consolation to the one guy who's walking home with a very expensive bill to pay over something that would have been avoidable if he'd had good counsel. Man, that really sucks.

If the people making videos about this idea said "here's a quick cheap fix that can get you down the road but there's a chance that the things that make it necessary to use will also make it possible for the fix to fail and waste your motor, and you probably don't want to leave it that way forever" then at least the audience would have the opportunity to consider that maybe it'd be better to just buy the new parts. Or use a different material instead of metal, or try nylon zip ties or something.

 

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To me, that's a problem not discussing it. Not today, not ten years, not ever?

IMO it was clearly a dig on him and not a topic of discussion to help others avoid the same

 

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Re saying I ever said anything about anyone your a ****ing idiotic

 

Only a Karen would have taken anything that I wrote as a " dig or insult" to Diesel Ron , I was making a point to another comment that I did not get the idea from some hill billy ! That this was used by main stream big names like diesel Ron , etc !! How you take that as a dig , GTFOH 🤡

 

Only a Karen would have taken anything that I wrote as a " dig or insult" to Diesel Ron

No, no, no,,, he wasn't referring to You at all! And this is where everybody is getting Way Too Sensitive to personal slights...

TooManyToys said I was in-his-face with some disrespectful comment he felt I had made and was directing at Him (it was a response to somebody else's comment)

YOU feel like the comment ZMANN made about being disrespectful was directed at you when it was another objection to what TooManyToys had said (I won't repeat it here). I can see where that was confusing as his Reply-to-Quote didn't attribute it to anybody.

EVERYBODY Calm Down,,, no "hating" goin' on here that I can see

 

This only blew up because someone couldn't be civil and the funny thing it had nothing to do with them
He can come back in a few days and we can move on

as far as Ron ,, He can't edit his video or learn from this so leave a comment in the video is my best suggestion to help others avoid this one
, but please remember everyone , he spent countless hours,time and $ helping thousands of blue collar guys
his side shuffle of fixing FICMS was not even on his radar when he started the Chanel RIP

 

I'm trying to see how even if the quarter came loose, it could ruin the engine, as it would most likely just sit there on top of the head. Let's say somehow it (or pieces) made there way down into the oil pan, then it would still sit on the bottom of the pan, impossible to be sucked into the oil system with the screen on the pickup tube.

 

What if it got into a valve spring coil and made the spring go solid before it got to full lift? Or made its way down a pushrod gallery, then got kicked around by the crank and pinched between a cam lobe and lifter? Sure, these things sound unlikely, but if you roll dice enough you're gonna crap out eventually.

 

Note to self if I have to do this mod I will use plastic disc instead, brake clean and sensor safe silicone them to the harness clip.
Now this post has a happy ending as someone had a positive takeaway ❤