I have a 2006 F350 6.0. I went to replace the oil filter with a brand-new Motorcraft FL-2016 filter, only to find that the oil filter return tube would not retract, thus I couldn't install the housing cap. This appears to be due to an engineering change to the filter, where Motorcraft eliminated the 4-point keyway inside the top of the filter. Attached are pictures of the new filter (no keyway) and the one I replaced (with keyway). Here's a YT video describing the problem
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Motorcraft FL-2016 oil filter doesn't fit
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I have a 2006 F350 6.0. I went to replace the oil filter with a brand-new Motorcraft FL-2016 filter, only to find that the oil filter return tube would not retract, thus I couldn't install the housing cap. This appears to be due to an engineering change to the filter, where Motorcraft eliminated the 4-point keyway inside the top of the filter. Attached are pictures of the new filter (no keyway) and the one I replaced (with keyway). Here's a YT video describing the problem
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You've certainly confirmed the long suspicion of knockoffs with great video proof.
Now its time to source one from the dealer to close your investigation.
Now its time to source one from the dealer to close your investigation.
I get what you're saying, but in your old filter the "hole" in the key way goes around the spherical piece on the tube. The new filter has a smaller diameter hole, making me think that instead of pushing on the 4 little tabs, it just now pushes on the spherical part of the tube.
I agree with Heavy, get one from a dealer and see what that one uses. But seriously, if my hypothesis is correct, this shouldn't be a huge deal or effect anything.
I agree with Heavy, get one from a dealer and see what that one uses. But seriously, if my hypothesis is correct, this shouldn't be a huge deal or effect anything.
I recently did a write up over on Cumminsforum.com about a good friend getting had by the Chicoms over on Amazon. He saved 100.00 over OEM pricing and then we discovered the fuel filter problems and decided to go OEM. Lesson learned.
You keep posting about that $60 filter .................
I will keep posting my response - DieselFiltersOnLine.com
I use them exclusively and I test my oil EVERY oil change (well actually I have missed one in 17 years). They are CLEARLY working just fine. My posted UOA results are on quite a few forums. Both the Motorcraft and the Racor filters work fine. $18 (Racor) and $26 (Motorcraft).
If you just have to buy one from a dealership, buy them here ($29):
parts.autonationfordwhitebearlake.com
I will keep posting my response - DieselFiltersOnLine.com
I use them exclusively and I test my oil EVERY oil change (well actually I have missed one in 17 years). They are CLEARLY working just fine. My posted UOA results are on quite a few forums. Both the Motorcraft and the Racor filters work fine. $18 (Racor) and $26 (Motorcraft).
If you just have to buy one from a dealership, buy them here ($29):
2003-2010 Ford Oil Filter 3C3Z-6731-AA | Auto Nation Ford White Bear Lake
2003-2010 Ford part # 3C3Z-6731-AA - Oil Filter
parts.autonationfordwhitebearlake.com
Well I know the dealer can mark them up something extra but find it hard to believe that if they are all getting it for a similar price how one can sell it so much lower. But ill for sure look over your UOA tests.You keep posting about that $60 filter .................
I will keep posting my response - DieselFiltersOnLine.com
I use them exclusively and I test my oil EVERY oil change. They are CLEARLY working just fine. My posted UOA results are on quite a few forums. Both the Motorcraft and the Racor filters work fine. $18 (Racor) and $26 (Motorcraft).
If you just have to buy one from a dealership, buy them here ($29):
2003-2010 Ford Oil Filter 3C3Z-6731-AA | Auto Nation Ford White Bear Lake
2003-2010 Ford part # 3C3Z-6731-AA - Oil Filter
Here are some of them
Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 4.7k mi; 6.0L PSD 215k mi
Oil report attached - just under 215k total miles on the truck (2006 6.0L) and 4700 miles on the oil. (Edit) Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W40 oil (not Mobil 1 TDT 5W40). Interestingly enough (no implication of value, just information sharing) - the viscosity was just below a 40 wt at that mileage (30 wt...
bobistheoilguy.com
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Yeah that box on the left I’ve never seen them packaged in that before. Strange for sure, I guess I’ll be checking from now on. But I’ve only seen the box on the right at auto parts stores
No - Racor is the original manufacturer of BOTH the fuel and oil filters for the Ford 6.0L. International uses their filters for their VT365 engine (the 6.0L is a Ford adaptation of the International VT365).
As I posted above - Racor is a division of Parker Hannifin. They designed the fuel system for our engines.
As I posted above - Racor is a division of Parker Hannifin. They designed the fuel system for our engines.
so racor would be considered oem for the fuel and oil filters?
then ford puts their name on it and marks it up...
so i plan to buy next time from dieselfiltersonline but called my local dealer just for yits and giggles
oil filter 25.99 plus tax....ok thats cool
fuel filter....ready for this - 138.55 plus tax that blew my hair back
oil filter 25.99 plus tax....ok thats cool
fuel filter....ready for this - 138.55 plus tax that blew my hair back
That sounds more like the MSRP for an air filter:
www.tascaparts.com
Or maybe a 3 pack of (both) fuel filters,
Element Assembly Air Cleaner FA-1778 | TascaParts.com
FA-1778 - Element Assembly Air Cleaner
www.tascaparts.com
Or maybe a 3 pack of (both) fuel filters,
Wow - thanks for checking on fuel filter pricing. I had NO IDEA what had happened to the price on them:
www.tascaparts.com
$138 MSRP
$86 discounted
2003-2007 Ford Fuel Filter 3C3Z-9N184-CB | TascaParts.com
2003-2007 Ford part # 3C3Z-9N184-CB - Fuel Filter
www.tascaparts.com
$138 MSRP
$86 discounted
Due to the price of Motorcraft, I switched to the Parker/Racor oil & fuel filters from Diesel Filters Online this last oil/fuel filter change. No issues at all with fitment, install, or performance.
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In years past we have verified: counted the number of filter media pleats, the type (visual inspection only) and quality of the glueing or bedding, the internal and external construction, the dimensions (height between discs, diameter, etc), patent numbers on the end discs, and then tracked UOA. We are not generally known as being "superficial" in assessments - at least I don't think we are!
We have no issues with you continuing to spend $60 on an oil filter, but it almost sounds like you are encouraging others to do the same with the frequently repeated story, lol (I know, I know - that really can't be the case......... right?).
Let it be known though - honest dealerships will NOT charge $60 for a 6.0L oil filter, not yet anyway.
We have no issues with you continuing to spend $60 on an oil filter, but it almost sounds like you are encouraging others to do the same with the frequently repeated story, lol (I know, I know - that really can't be the case......... right?).
Let it be known though - honest dealerships will NOT charge $60 for a 6.0L oil filter, not yet anyway.
I missed this thread somehow. I echo everything that Mark has said.
Mark and I have been through this discussion for probably two decades. And since my company was a supplier to Ford at the assembly line and over the counter, the problems with counterfeiting are immense and getting worse. That filter was a poor copy in the packaging, too. Ford has an entire department for counterfeit parts. As a supplier, you are constantly making little changes to the production of parts for them to determine a non-Ford part, things that look like a normal manufacturing variation, if you know where to look.
Racor is not only a four-decade supplier to Ford and International, but they have designed the fuel delivery system on Powerstrokes for those decades, from the tank pickup to the fuel and oil canisters. They hold the patents, along with a company in Germany, on how the filters are assembled.
So far, for me, the three sources who have been good with correct filters are DieselFiltersOnline here in Jersey, Online Ford dealers, and RockAuto, although some reasonably question RockAuto.
A long time ago, I made a video (of course.....) when a member of FTE (Bill) had a filter come apart that he bought from a Ford dealer. It was either a production issue, but I always suspected he had a problem with the oil filter pressure regulator at cold start. I never thought about those nubs.
Measurements of Racor Supplied Powerstroke 6.0L Oil Filters
Mark and I have been through this discussion for probably two decades. And since my company was a supplier to Ford at the assembly line and over the counter, the problems with counterfeiting are immense and getting worse. That filter was a poor copy in the packaging, too. Ford has an entire department for counterfeit parts. As a supplier, you are constantly making little changes to the production of parts for them to determine a non-Ford part, things that look like a normal manufacturing variation, if you know where to look.
Racor is not only a four-decade supplier to Ford and International, but they have designed the fuel delivery system on Powerstrokes for those decades, from the tank pickup to the fuel and oil canisters. They hold the patents, along with a company in Germany, on how the filters are assembled.
So far, for me, the three sources who have been good with correct filters are DieselFiltersOnline here in Jersey, Online Ford dealers, and RockAuto, although some reasonably question RockAuto.
A long time ago, I made a video (of course.....) when a member of FTE (Bill) had a filter come apart that he bought from a Ford dealer. It was either a production issue, but I always suspected he had a problem with the oil filter pressure regulator at cold start. I never thought about those nubs.
Measurements of Racor Supplied Powerstroke 6.0L Oil Filters
Took me a while to find it, but this is a summary from the old days (to go along with the well done video above):
To make sure Oil filters are OEM style, check:
1. One piece top (NO plastic cap adaptor)
2. Top is glued/bedded to the filter media
3. Patent numbers (below)
4. Felt gasket on bottom
5. Outside diameter of the discs - exactly 3.25"
6. Inside diameter of the channel for the oil filter standpipe - exactly 1.5"
7. Length - exactly 6.5" (excluding the 4 snap tabs on top, and felt on the bottom)
8. Filters are stiff and resist any twisting motion
9. 52 pleats (+or- one for manufacturing variability)
10. Pleats are 1/16" wide on the end and 6 3/8" tall
U.S. Patent 6.554.139 describes the filter components (the good stuff, made by the Parker-Hannifin Corporation).
U.S. Patent 6.086.763 refers to the front disk assembly (not quite as important - made by Ing. Walter Hengst GmbH & Co.).
Note that I do not know if patent numbers have been updated or not in RECENT years, that DOES happen from time-to-time.
With all this "verification", I completely acknowledge that it is POSSIBLE that a company like DieselFiltersOnLine could at some future date change their business philosophy or ownership and thus switch to a counterfeit supplier. We just keep our vigilance up - it is the best we can do. So far so good - LOTS of money saved over the years!
Just another note - we recently have seen Ford make a change in the supplier of their oil coolers (it doesn't look like a "move to the better"). So - not anything is a guarantee anymore.
To make sure Oil filters are OEM style, check:
1. One piece top (NO plastic cap adaptor)
2. Top is glued/bedded to the filter media
3. Patent numbers (below)
4. Felt gasket on bottom
5. Outside diameter of the discs - exactly 3.25"
6. Inside diameter of the channel for the oil filter standpipe - exactly 1.5"
7. Length - exactly 6.5" (excluding the 4 snap tabs on top, and felt on the bottom)
8. Filters are stiff and resist any twisting motion
9. 52 pleats (+or- one for manufacturing variability)
10. Pleats are 1/16" wide on the end and 6 3/8" tall
U.S. Patent 6.554.139 describes the filter components (the good stuff, made by the Parker-Hannifin Corporation).
U.S. Patent 6.086.763 refers to the front disk assembly (not quite as important - made by Ing. Walter Hengst GmbH & Co.).
Note that I do not know if patent numbers have been updated or not in RECENT years, that DOES happen from time-to-time.
With all this "verification", I completely acknowledge that it is POSSIBLE that a company like DieselFiltersOnLine could at some future date change their business philosophy or ownership and thus switch to a counterfeit supplier. We just keep our vigilance up - it is the best we can do. So far so good - LOTS of money saved over the years!
Just another note - we recently have seen Ford make a change in the supplier of their oil coolers (it doesn't look like a "move to the better"). So - not anything is a guarantee anymore.
Just to add on a comment about the "weights" mentioned in the video:
I have six oil filters in front of me. One is Racor and five are Motorcraft. Their weights are as follows:
R - 102.2 g
M - 101.9
M - 102.2
M - 101.2
M - 101.8
M - 102.7
I am using a Lab quality balance for the weight measurements.
It is my opinion that the moisture content of the filter media is the main factor in weight variation, although the amount of epoxy resin used can also be a measurable factor. Still, with humidity in the air, the amount of moisture variation can easily be a gram or two, especially if a filter sits on a shelf for a long time.
I have six oil filters in front of me. One is Racor and five are Motorcraft. Their weights are as follows:
R - 102.2 g
M - 101.9
M - 102.2
M - 101.2
M - 101.8
M - 102.7
I am using a Lab quality balance for the weight measurements.
It is my opinion that the moisture content of the filter media is the main factor in weight variation, although the amount of epoxy resin used can also be a measurable factor. Still, with humidity in the air, the amount of moisture variation can easily be a gram or two, especially if a filter sits on a shelf for a long time.
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