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6.0 Blue spring upgrade issues!!

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#1 ·
Alright guys so I ordered the blue spring kit from sinister diesel and decided to add it to my 2004 6.0 powerstroke. I’ve only done an egr delete and catalytic/muffler delete(straight pipe). I installed, re-installed and did every trick in the book even as far as keep the plastic O ring on the plunger holder(not sure what that part is called. Today I re-installed the OEM regulator and OEM spring and I STILL can not get this thing to run right. It has a lope and is certainly not running right. I know the air flow and exhaust sound that my 6.0 is supposed to have and I can tell I am having some kind of a fuel issue but I can not figure out what the issue is coming from. I can’t find an air leak in any fuel passage or line. Also to note, there was nothing wrong with my truck before I decided to run this upgrade and I haven’t driven since the first time I installed the spring kit and noticed something wasn’t right. I’ve only listened to it idle. I just read a lot about how it improves the health of my injectors. I’ve also read where that can only be true in some cases. Is there anyone that might be able to help with this issue?
 
#3 ·
So I did the EGR delete and CAT/Muffler delete this past summer. I discovered an exhaust leak about 2&1/2 months ago and I re-seated my turbo and each up-pipe and adjusted everything properly. I also replaced my MAP sensor and vacuum hose in the process. I ordered the entire stage 3 solution from sinister diesel including the EGR delete and blue spring kit. I ordered ARP head studs as well. However, Im in college and I don't have a lot of time to work on my truck but after I readjusted my up-pipes and seated them correctly/replaced the MAP sensor, my truck was running beautifully. My only reasoning for installing the blue spring kit is because I am trying to keep her as healthy as possible until I have time to stud it and throw in the upgraded oil cooler. And i happened to have some free time the past few days to do it. So Im almost certain I am dealing with a fuel problem considering Ive only worked on the fuel system over the past few days. I just cant understand why it would be running like this and it has me wondering if I messed up an injector by allowing air into the fuel or not having the proper PSI in the fuel system. I couldn't imagine that would be the case but I am stumped.
 
#4 · (Edited)
You should have installed a fuel pressure gauge first to see if you needed a new spring kit, and certainly not something from Sinister.

This comment makes no sense - " did every trick in the book even as far as keep the plastic O-ring on the plunger holder(not sure what that part is called)."

With the early trucks, the regulators had a replaceable seat, which actually was a good thing. However, there is a small o-ring on the inside face that should fit onto it without much of an issue falling off. So I'm having a hard time understanding what was so hard.


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Vid dropped.


.... and now it's back.

 
#13 ·
So the O-ring I was referring to was the one that goes on the seat. Seat would have been the part I couldn't think of. However, when I replaced it the first time I replaced the original plastic o-ring on the seat with the new seat and new rubber o-ring. In summation, I completely replaced everything that came with the new regulator and install kit. I also replaced fuel filters. Nothing was hard about the install, it simply did not work. And gave my truck the symptoms I listed. I read on several forums and watched several videos where guys would take the original plastic o-ring and install it on the new seat. The reason I mentioned this in my post is because that seat was the only part of the install that didnt seem to fit quite right with the rubber o-ring. So I pulled it, put the old one on and it fit perfect. However, the truck still isn't running right. Ive put the OEM regulator and OEM everything back on the truck to try and pin point my issues but its still not running right with original parts.
 
#5 ·
Whew, that vid was painful to watch -- so many things done wrong

he never replaced the o-ring on the backside of the regulator seat -- that would be the black one in Jacks picture
and the list goes on

the vid shows the pressure test port pretty well, it is just to the leaf of the blue spring
Takes a metric adapter: Fuel pressure 6.0 M12x1.5MM adapter

I suggest installing a permanent gauge in this port
can be either an electric sensor gauge or a mechanical gauge
you can use an oil pressure gauge from the auto parts store, for a cheap alternative

this will tell you the health of your fuel system and alert to when the filter needs changed
 
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#6 · (Edited)
Whew, that vid was painful to watch -- so many things done wrong

he never replaced the o-ring on the backside of the regulator seat -- that would be the black one in Jacks picture
and the list goes on

the vid shows the pressure test port pretty well, it is just to the left of the blue spring
Takes a metric adapter: Fuel pressure 6.0 M12x1.5MM adapter

I suggest installing a permanent gauge in this port
can be either an electric sensor gauge or a mechanical gauge
you can use an oil pressure gauge from the auto parts store, for a cheap alternative

this will tell you the health of your fuel system and alert to when the filter needs changed
I agree! But it shows the parts and locations fairly well (except for that o-ring you mentioned)

He didn't seem to lubricate the new o-rings either ..... and I would always recommend a backup wrench on that one fuel line (which appeared to be the source of his leak to begin with).
 
#7 ·
I didn't watch the video, I jumped through to see if there were good examples for showing the seat. Most videos show the new style without a replaceable seat.

I'll edit it out.
 
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#8 · (Edited)
@TooManyToys Dont take the vid out, it does show the operation

I was just on my second cup of coffee, and was shouting while watching the vid -- I may have been a little grumpy
the dude seemed sincere in his efforts, just ignorant of the job
 
owns 2006 Ford F250 Lariat FX4
#10 ·
It's back.

Most guys also don't replace the bleed orifice or, if they do, the o-ring behind it.
 
owns 2003 Ford F-350 Lariet
#11 ·
He broke the bleed orifice by stuffing that allen wrench behind the edge -- then finally pushed it out from inside the fuel bowl, as should have been done in the first place

actually the vid while it shows some parts done OK, could be used to show what not to do

I understand that all of us has been in this position when we first started, and maybe I am too critical of good practice methods
the job was successfully completed, and he got lucky

OK, I need to stop ranting for a while
maybe the OP in this thread will get his problem sorted out
 
owns 2006 Ford F250 Lariat FX4
#17 ·
The test I described is not testing injectors for leaking combustion gas ..... instead it is testing to see if air is getting into the fuel system from the supply side of the fuel system (tank, filter, pump).

The injector bubble test is a cranking test with the fuel pump disabled .....
Ok thank you for clarifying that.

I was slightly confused as I've seen both ways.

I appreciate the information!
 
#18 ·
Two different test, both need to be done but start as Bismic mentioned to see if you get good fuel from the pump
 
owns 2006 Ford F250 Lariat FX4