How cautious should I be of an 07 6.0 with head bolts replaced with the updated ones under warranty? How do these compare to the ARP studs? Truck is deleted also
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My truck is 100% bone stock powertrain wise aside from the blue spring mod, it has 164k miles and still running strong.
I have no experience really so I'm just speaking out of my hiney, but in my opinion unless you plan on trying to over tune it to produce a ton of power or otherwise want to beat the hell out of the truck, I don't think TTY bolts are a problem. If you use your truck as a truck and not a race truck I think you'll be fine. One thing I've seen while doing my reading is there are plenty of people getting high miles on original gaskets and studs but they're also treating the truck right. On the other hand you have people that treat the 6.0 like a 7.3 and try to tune the hell out of it and race everyone they can and they blow the headgaskets quick. It all depends on how you want to build your truck.
I use my truck as a truck / daily driver so with my opinion stated above, I didn't feel the need to have a studded truck. One thing about studded trucks is you just have to ask why are they studded? Did the owner beat up the truck, blow the gaskets and stud it? Did something else break and now they want to dump it on you? Of course there are folks with deep pockets that stud right off the bat for their piece of mind, but when buying a vehicle I've always assumed the worst.
Again, strictly my opinion and I'm sure it differs from others but I bought my truck and I wanted something that wasn't deleted or studded. I wanted something 100% stock that I knew wasn't beaten to death.
I have no experience really so I'm just speaking out of my hiney, but in my opinion unless you plan on trying to over tune it to produce a ton of power or otherwise want to beat the hell out of the truck, I don't think TTY bolts are a problem. If you use your truck as a truck and not a race truck I think you'll be fine. One thing I've seen while doing my reading is there are plenty of people getting high miles on original gaskets and studs but they're also treating the truck right. On the other hand you have people that treat the 6.0 like a 7.3 and try to tune the hell out of it and race everyone they can and they blow the headgaskets quick. It all depends on how you want to build your truck.
I use my truck as a truck / daily driver so with my opinion stated above, I didn't feel the need to have a studded truck. One thing about studded trucks is you just have to ask why are they studded? Did the owner beat up the truck, blow the gaskets and stud it? Did something else break and now they want to dump it on you? Of course there are folks with deep pockets that stud right off the bat for their piece of mind, but when buying a vehicle I've always assumed the worst.
Again, strictly my opinion and I'm sure it differs from others but I bought my truck and I wanted something that wasn't deleted or studded. I wanted something 100% stock that I knew wasn't beaten to death.
if you do your maint and dont dog the truck, you will be fine with headbolts (ASSUMING the job was done correctly). they probably meant updated standpipes.
It's got a diablo tuner and sitting on 37"s. It does have all the right gauges in it but it still makes me a little cautious with it not being studded. The owner doesn't have any paperwork for the rather large amount of work done but he said that he bought from a guy that his uncle hooked him up with.
I bought a 2006 with 41,000 miles on it with blown head gaskets. So any 6.0 can have blown head gaskets and its because of the amount of bolts per cylinder. That said if the engine does not have a tuner thrown on it, it will do fine most often. Biggest killer of the head gaskets in a stock engine is due to the Ford Gold coolant that plugs the oil cooler which then ruins the EGR cooler. That lets coolant into the combustion chambers resulting in extreme cylinder pressure and blowing head gaskets.
The 6.0 is a good engine in its own right. There are things it needs to be a good engine that will go 400-500,000 miles.
ARP Studs
O-Ringing Heads
BPD EGR Cooler or delete if possible
CAT-EC1 Coolant
Updated Standpipes/STC/D-Plugs
That pretty much takes care of it there, but running synthetic oil is big along with good maintenance. The engine is fast spooling and much more responsive then the 7.3 In fact they are not comparable, the 7.3 is a slob by comparison.
As far as the 37" tires go I wouldn't let that bother you one bit. I have 38" on my truck and it goes like a raped ape. The engine doesn't care one bit in fact I can spin my tires leaving the stop sign if I want. So that's nothing to worry about.
If you like the truck have it looked over by someone familiar with these trucks or take it to a shop to have it checked over. I love my truck and would not trade it for a newer model. They are the last truck Ford made without the full Monte of smog emission equipment.
Hope this helps. Oh yea the Updated Ford Head Bolts is pure B/S. Only a pipe dream.........no such thing he's full of crap there.
The 6.0 is a good engine in its own right. There are things it needs to be a good engine that will go 400-500,000 miles.
ARP Studs
O-Ringing Heads
BPD EGR Cooler or delete if possible
CAT-EC1 Coolant
Updated Standpipes/STC/D-Plugs
That pretty much takes care of it there, but running synthetic oil is big along with good maintenance. The engine is fast spooling and much more responsive then the 7.3 In fact they are not comparable, the 7.3 is a slob by comparison.
As far as the 37" tires go I wouldn't let that bother you one bit. I have 38" on my truck and it goes like a raped ape. The engine doesn't care one bit in fact I can spin my tires leaving the stop sign if I want. So that's nothing to worry about.
If you like the truck have it looked over by someone familiar with these trucks or take it to a shop to have it checked over. I love my truck and would not trade it for a newer model. They are the last truck Ford made without the full Monte of smog emission equipment.
Hope this helps. Oh yea the Updated Ford Head Bolts is pure B/S. Only a pipe dream.........no such thing he's full of crap there.
I have a 2004 f250 with the 6.0 p.s. in my opinion I love the motor and would only change to head stud if I were to "abuse" it or pull heavy loads often!
Mine has 268k miles and is gone stock besides a 5" straight piped stack but no tuner no b.s. and I have absolutely no issues with it.
So like previously stated dont worry bout it unless you plan on rodding on the motor
Mine has 268k miles and is gone stock besides a 5" straight piped stack but no tuner no b.s. and I have absolutely no issues with it.
So like previously stated dont worry bout it unless you plan on rodding on the motor
Ya I feel lucky considering the truck hit a deer and rolled before I bought it but got it cheap anyways
I bought my 2006 new. 4" turboback pipe. No tunes. Pulled heavy trailers through the mountains. Over 180,000 miles. Heads have never been off. If you aint gonna tune and the heads aint leaking dont mess with it.
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2003 6.0 ps, 247k on it. Have a sct gtx on it, no other mods. Stock bolts and no head gasket issues. I think I've only hit WOT about a dozen times since I've owned it. Have 2 buddies who have blown gaskets with the ARP studs...and a right foot that only know where off and the floor are. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I have 265000 miles on my 2005 6.0 still has factory headbolts it's been deleted and turbo upgraded!
I'll go out on a limb here,
I really think the head studs have been the false god. Unless the motor had lost coolant and really overheated, all the head gasket failure images I've looked at showed they blow down the centerline. What people don't do after a head gasket failure is measure across the heads to look for tenting. And that is what Ford implies in the updated flatness inspection.
Both gas and diesel head have had this issue, the ones with bolting closer to the centerline don't. O-ring the heads can address the issue, as they pretension the head between the bolts, but it very well may delay the failure, hopefully to 2 million miles.
I would think why International and Ford have the head thickness spec that they do is more machining, thinner, allows the combustion ledge, in this case, to flex more easily.
Having been involved in recalls and TSB over 30 years, when a supplier (International this case) has an issue Ford sends out a team of engineers to assess QC, and they have a team back home to investigate. These teams which include Ford Scientific Research are pretty damn good from my experience. They are, however, are limited by the supplier's design unless they want to punt, as they did after the 6.4L.
When you look at the changes in flatness inspection and torque sequence, FSR had a hand in that, there is much more depth then people realize.
If head studs or stronger TTY would have been the solution, Ford would have demanded the change. They never were changed. From a manufacturer's situation of quantity, stronger bolts or studs would have cost probably under $50, because I know what Ford pays for brake pads compared to over the counter. $50 vs the cost of warranty and reputation would have been a no brainer.
I really think the head studs have been the false god. Unless the motor had lost coolant and really overheated, all the head gasket failure images I've looked at showed they blow down the centerline. What people don't do after a head gasket failure is measure across the heads to look for tenting. And that is what Ford implies in the updated flatness inspection.
Both gas and diesel head have had this issue, the ones with bolting closer to the centerline don't. O-ring the heads can address the issue, as they pretension the head between the bolts, but it very well may delay the failure, hopefully to 2 million miles.
I would think why International and Ford have the head thickness spec that they do is more machining, thinner, allows the combustion ledge, in this case, to flex more easily.
Having been involved in recalls and TSB over 30 years, when a supplier (International this case) has an issue Ford sends out a team of engineers to assess QC, and they have a team back home to investigate. These teams which include Ford Scientific Research are pretty damn good from my experience. They are, however, are limited by the supplier's design unless they want to punt, as they did after the 6.4L.
When you look at the changes in flatness inspection and torque sequence, FSR had a hand in that, there is much more depth then people realize.
If head studs or stronger TTY would have been the solution, Ford would have demanded the change. They never were changed. From a manufacturer's situation of quantity, stronger bolts or studs would have cost probably under $50, because I know what Ford pays for brake pads compared to over the counter. $50 vs the cost of warranty and reputation would have been a no brainer.
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