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Tuning with emissions.

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#1 ·
I’ve been goin back and forth with ideas on my 2018. Egr an Dpf delete or leave it and go with Calibrated Power tuning witch leaves emissions intact.
Just wanted to hear what some of you guys thoughts were.
I bought a 2012 new and put 160k on her before deleting. And never had issues.
I’m really having a hard time thinking about removing Egr an Dpf on a new truck. Any thoughts or experiences with non emissions tuning woul be appreciated
 
#3 ·
I'm running an NGauge with a 50hp tune from DP-Tuner. IMO, not worth the cost. I'll probably delete at some point and hopefully be able to use the NGauge with a different tune writer, but about the only one I've seen that actively uses the NGauge is Patriot, so I may be limited in my choices.

I guess I pissed Jody off with questions about trying to get the tuner to monitor the PIDs he set up on my tuner using a 2012 truck to work on my 2017. He quit responding to my emails. My experience with DP-Tuner has not been what I'd hoped for. Got the wrong shipment to start with, but he overnighted me another tuner, lost two days, but not that big of a deal. Get the tune installed and the PIDs he had preset to monitor don't work . Jody worked with me pretty good for a couple of days trying to get things working right, we even got a new flash update from the manufacturer,.
That still didn't get it working, but we were closer. Now he has gone silent. Oh well, I guess showing a little disappointment in an email to him hurt his feelings. He's got his money, I've got a tuner. I guess we're even. Thing is, I'm not upset with him personally, just the situation.

Sorry for the OT rant, but I thought I'd share a little.
 
#6 ·
Man Jody had the best tunning for the 7.3L! Sounds like it has gone downhill, sad to hear. Him and PHP are the OGs in the sport. Those two were the first, always hard for old dogs to keep up with new tech. 7.3 and 6.7 are so different
 
#5 ·
I’m jus here to learn. Can’t wait to delete but keeping warrenty for now. What is point of emissions tune, keeping DEF? I’d assume it would be for someone who had to annual Smog check, but if you deleted your last truck I’m assuming you don’t, thus curious. If your willing to tune and void warrenty why on earth would you keep the system? For the environment? 😳
 
#8 ·
Sorry to dredge up an old post here folks however with what has been going on lately, I felt I needed to chime in on this post specifically. We've had a lot of inquiries recently regarding intact tuning and as mentioned earlier in this thread, Calibrated Power seems to have one of the best tunes right now. Their tune on an EZ LYNK tops out at 180 HP, which is outrageous for an intact tune.

Deleting is becoming almost impossible to accomplish and our customers are looking for a solution. Being that the particulate filter is the most problematic of the pollution control devices, we've started offering refurbished OEM DPF's for the 6.7L Powerstroke. We even have some really cool aftermarket solutions for the 6.4L and hope to have the same for the 6.7L very soon. We think if we can beef up your pollution control system for reliability and add power for performance and better fuel economy, we won't miss deleting... as much.

The moral of the story here is, there are good tunes available for an intact vehicle and we can overcome unreliability.

Thanks,

Tommy T.
 
#9 ·
Just thinking out loud but are these trucks available in Mexico? If so Mexico doesn’t have emissions correct? Would it be possible to get a Mexico computer and put it in a US truck? I know it would take a lot of recalibration with the computers but couldn’t it be done with a computer the dealer uses if you have access to one. Then it’s all programmed by Ford
 
#10 ·
The funny thing is.....you can order it for export. Problem is you can't get it registered in the USA. Now if you knew a guy, could get the parts, get the tuning.....just might work.
From the Order Guide:
High Sulfur Diesel Fuel Usage
Vehicles for intended usage w/diesel fuel sulfur content
greater than 15ppm require Euro II (>500ppm sulfur) or
Euro III (<500ppm sulfur) packages to avoid engine
functionality issues.
Packages are available through Export Order Guide w/the
appropriate US EPA exemption or verifiable export usage.

NOTE: Post build modification kits are not available.
Vehicles must be ordered correctly for the market that they
are to be sold and operated in.

NOTE: JP8 fuel is supported and compatible w/these
packages
 
#14 ·
I always explain to customers, the hot tunes are your friend... as long as you can keep your foot out of it. The hottest tune is your best opportunity for increased MPG's and you get better atomization with the higher fuel rail pressure. This will help keep the pollution control devices cleaner and more reliable. The other thing to put on your Powerstroke with emissions intact, is an oil catch can from Mishimoto.

If your engine inhales garbage then it will clog the DPF that much quicker and put it into Regen more often. Less frequent Regen cycles means more life out of your heater/pump in the DEF tank. Also less Regen means better MPG's.
 
#17 ·
Thanks for the link Tommy.... all good info but one question. The main pain in the side on my truck so far has been the EGT sensor failures. Of course it had the EGR cooler replaced at 80k due to clogging. Is there a solution for the sensors? Not sure a oil catch can helps with that. Just curious
 
#18 ·
You know, that's not something we've come across much. What is the year and model of your Powerstroke? Also what type of failure are you experiencing? The EGT probe is such a robust and simple device, I'm surprised to hear of it causing so much grief. Maybe the OEM is a bad part. Have you tried replacing it with an aftermarket pyrometer? Is this a common failure on other Powerstrokes of the same model and generation?

I know that an oil catch can is scrubbing the air before it is returned to the intake so cleaner in means cleaner out.

SIDE NOTE: Mishimoto did something I've never seen an OCC manufacturer do and they plumb their can in to the factory oil separator. That way it remains CARB compliant and that's unheard of in the catch can world. Pretty slick in my opinion.
 
#25 ·
So I am now to this page and the delete process. I bought a 2015 f250 from a delar with the particulate deleted with a straight pipe. Where the filter was. Egr is still on the truck with all the sensors are unplugged. It came with a patriot tuner that worked when I test drove the truck. I came back the next day and bought the truck. The patriot ngauge doesn’t stay on so you have to turn the screen on. So when I got it home to check what gauges and all was set up. It wasn’t reading anything. It seems the license has been removed as it will not find signals and won’t pick up any information on the truck other than the vin number. So first is the ngauge nothing more than a truck ornament at the point or is there a license procedure or something I can try to get it to link to my vehicle? Like I said, my Stupidity I didn’t look to see if patriot was in business as I was new to the delete process. So with it being out of business and a truck deleted with a light tow tune. ( found the original owner and asked them about the vehicle) (def heater went out so the chose to delete as Ford wouldn’t warranty it) is there anyway I can make the ngauge operable again or do I order a second tuner with dpf delete capabilities And set it back in case for some reason I have a issue and the truck either looses its delete tune or a failure where it has to be reflashed? I am thinking ordering another tuner and just having it on reserve is probably my best option but just wanted a few opinions. Before I order a 1000 dollar gauge to hopefully just sit in a box. Thank you!