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PPEI vs GDP from Experience (long review)

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#1 ·
The following is my experience with tuning a 2017 Ford F350 6.7 Powerstroke Diesel.

I originally tuned my truck using PPEI tuning and the Ez Link box. I installed their 75hp and Soft Shift TCM tuning. All seemed well however after a few months I began to notice that the transmission would shift funny once in 4th gear.

The truck did not shift correctly once in 4th. It would go into 4th then when the torque converter locked up it would lock very hard, then 5th and 6th were more firm than usual.

This shifting problem seemed worse at slower speeds. However if I were accelerating to speed on the highway the shifts were fine. Only at low speeds is when it would lock and shift way too hard. Like I was being punched in the gut.

I called PPEI and tried to explain the situation with little help. I switched to a 0 HP tune thinking this would help but it didn’t. At their 0 HP tune it would fall on its face at WOT. So I switched back to their 75 hp tune. PPEI sent me a new 75hp tune that had TCM tuning included. It was their 75 hp version 2.4 and the TCM tuning was very firm. At low speeds from 1-2-3-4 were so hard I felt again as if I was being punched in the gut. However when accelerating faster it was ok.

I called PPEI again for about a week and all I got was “Just switch to the SOTF 4.1 version and all will be corrected”. Well the problem with the SOTF 4.1 version is that I do not have the SOTF switch nor was I about to buy the switch. I wanted a single tune with the updated TCM tuning but they would not help me. Also I got mixed information from their team. One guy said that the 2.4 version did not have TCM tuning even though it read ECM and TCM tuning in the profile. And another guy would say yes it had the TCM tune included in the profile. But then they would keep referring me to the SOTF 4.1 version. I again refused to switched to the 4.1 mainly because they were trying to force me to switch and I didn’t want to. I wanted them to fix their single tune profile.

During this week of back and forth I decided to call GDP tuning. And let me tell you what, GDPs customer service was outstanding. They did not once try to sell me one of their tunes. They said if we can help you fix what you already have, that is what they would prefer to do. They were better at explaining to profile tunes, how they work and all the different characteristics about the ECM and TCM tuning. Where as PPEI would not share anything, as if it was a secret and no one could know, however if I switched to the 4.1 version all will be well. Again all I got from PPEI is “switch to the 4.1 version”.

After that week on a Friday an hour before GDP closed I decided to switch to GDP after the horrible customer experience with PPEI. Even though there was an hour before they closed GDP through one of their vendors got me the tunes and worked with me to ensure I uploaded everything correctly. GDPs customer service is top notch and much more friendlier and no so arrogant as PPEI.

This is how I would describe GDPs tuning vs PPEI. GDP are Powerstroke guys and PPEI are Duramax guys. I’ve been running the 75 hp tune from GDP for over a month now and its light years better than PPEI. The Tune I’m running is their 75 hp version 2.31 that includes TCM tuning and its far better. The TCM tune is smoother, less firm, more enjoyable to drive at low speeds but firm enough for WOT accelerations.

However right now I’ve decided for longevity purposes I’ve reduced the Tune to GDPs 0 HP tune and the Ford OEM TCM tuning. And right now it's the best of both worlds. I really like the Ford Factory Transmission tuning, its smoother, less violent (compared to PPEI) and more seamless. I wanted that factory shift feel and not the firm, hard punching, less enjoyable driving feel. PPEI trans tuning is horrible, I’ve read lots of complaints about PPEI trans tuning yet I ignored those reviews because I thought this “Well its PPEI, its Kory Willis, he is well known in the Duramax world so it must be the best, I’m not going to believe those reviews”….Well I should have went with GDP in the first place instead of spending the money to switch. Although at the same time I’m glad I went with PPEI first to gain that experience. I can say that I’ve ran both PPEI and GDP tuning, where as some people will support one and put down the other without any experience running the other tune.

I can say from experience that for the 2017+ 6.7 Powerstroke ECM and TCM tuning from a PPEI and GDP stand point that GDP is the way to go.

Right not the GDP 0 HP and Ford OEM TCM tuning the truck actually feels more lively than stock, not has fast as the 75 hp tune but faster and more responsive than stock. I have read that some say the 0 hp tune is a dog and super slow. Well that is not the case, its faster and more responsive than stock but yes slower than the upgraded horsepower tune but overall pretty good.

I'm not trying to put down PPEI but I was very VERY upset with their customer service to the point of spending another $900 bucks to switch to another company. If they would have just worked with me and try to rectify their programing instead of telling me "just switch to the 4.1 version" then I would most likely still be with PPEI. I'm sure their stuff is great for the GM guys but Fords....not so much. I will say that PPEIs 75 hp tune is very good, smooth and lots of power, but their TCM tuning needs some work.
 
#3 ·
Let us know if they help you out. All they did for me was try to get me to upload the 4.1 file. I refused cause I didn't want to buy the SOTF switch.

The 75 hp tune isn't bad, I would say its really good. But their trans tuning is just awful.
 
#4 ·
I'm not saying this is directly related to your experiences but just sharing this here so people will know what has been said in the past. Now for the future we all know things do improve. Right now I think the above posting is evidence enough of current issues and concerns one may encounter.





I don't recall the original post or who posted the info below.


***2017/2018 POWERSTROKE OWNERS****
The 6R is a VERY delicate trans. The 17/18 model is much more delicate after being flashed. I have spent the past 2 days heavily researching a solution to a small (but could be big) issue and have come to some solid conclusions. I have also spoken with many other respected tuners in the industry regarding TCM issues, and we are all in agreement. Please read the following as it could save your trans or your customers' trans.
****This particular TCM is VERY delicate and unique in regard to "learning". From the factory - there is always a factor of variance for everything that is machined/produced in mass quantities. The TCM has "Trim Values," so to speak, that will adjust the transmission so that it meets its desired shift points, shift speeds, line ramp, etc. The process of it going to a basically zero trim is at the point the trans has learned/adapted - thus the term "Adaptive transmissions". There are multiple areas of the ECU/TCM (KAM, Adaptives, etc.) that rely on each other to maintain this zero trim state in which the trans shifts perfectly. WHEN THE TCM IS REFLASHED - it may only partially be resetting these values. If you are reflashing the TCM, note that if the trim values for this specific truck are far apart, then with the adaptives being reset and not the rest of the memory - IT WILL SHIFT BADLY AND WILL NOT GET BETTER UNTIL IT HAS A FULL-BLOWN RELEARN IN ALL AREAS OF MEMORY. Just driving it will not fix it, and as a matter of fact - you could even ruin your transmission. This also applies if someone is going from a TUNED TCM back to STOCK TCM!! So if you go from tuner A to tuner B - it is also a gamble as to whether it will shift better or not. It all depends on where that tuner's file lands within your learned trim values. This could be a reason why 1 person may have a issue and the next person does not.
We have tuned approximately 1000 TCMs for the 17/18 trucks and has seen 5 with these sort of issues. So although less than 1% of these trucks have trim values that actually get so stretched out that the truck will never get back right without a full -*FULL* - relearn, it is still worth mentioning as every tuner deals with this - or WILL deal with this!
I wanted to put this information out there so people may understand why at times their truck may shift badly after a TCM flash ---regardless of tuner/tuning/tuning platform. I have spoken with respected trans builders, respected tuners, and have done stupid amounts of time in R&D to come to this conclusion with actual data that I have done my best here to relay. I am also open to anyone's opinion as long as it is data driven and not some stuff simply read on the net.
With all of that said... If you or a customer flashed your tcm from a tuner and it is shifting badly and you have done the basic relearn with just driving it (Being VERY easy on it).... DO NOT KEEP DRIVING IT OR YOU WILL LIKELY BURN UP YOUR TRANSMISSION. Go to your local qualified diesel shop or dealer and have them reset ALL memory (KAM, Adaptive, etc.) and also the proper drive procedures!
Please share this as it is very important and universal across the industry.

Adaptive Drive Cycle

NOTE: Always drive the vehicle in a safe manner according to driving conditions and obey all traffic laws.

Connect the scan tool to the vehicle.
NOTE: Do not clear the PCM Keep Alive Memory (KAM) .

Using the scan tool, clear the Transmission Control Module (TCM) KAM and the adaptive table before conducting a solenoid body strategy drive cycle.
Using the scan tool verify the transmission fluid is at normal operating temperature, between 91°-102°C (196°-216°F). If the transmission fluid is not at operating temperature, drive the vehicle until the normal operating temperature is achieved.
NOTE: The transmission fluid must be at operating temperature before continuing with this step.

NOTE: Drive the vehicle on a level road surface to perform the solenoid body strategy.

Apply the park brake.
With the engine running and the brakes applied, move the selector lever in the following sequence pausing between each position for four seconds. Begin in Neutral, N-R-N-D-R-D-N. Repeat this sequence two additional times.
Release the park brake and accelerate at moderate throttle so each shift occurs around 2,000 rpm for gasoline engines and 1,500 rpm for diesel engines up to 105 k/mh (65 mph). Brake moderately to a stop. Repeat this sequence two additional times.
Accelerate at moderate throttle so each shift occurs around 3,000 rpm for gasoline engines and 2,250 rpm for diesel engines up to 105 k/mh (65 mph). Brake moderately to a stop. Repeat this pattern two additional times.
Stop the vehicle and apply the park brake.
With the engine running and the brakes applied, move the selector lever in the following sequence pausing between each position for four seconds. Begin in NEUTRAL, N-R-N-D-R-D-N. Repeat this sequence two additional times.
 
#6 ·
This is good info. GDP has KAM reset available. So when I switched back to Fords OEM TCM Tune I reset the TCM KAM and then installed the OEM TCM tune. Then I did Fords Relearn process, and so far so good. We will see how the rest of the week goes.
 
#5 ·
Update

So after a day of just driving around on the GDP 0 HP tune and Fords OEM Trans tune I would say I'm really happy with this combination. Truck isn't as fast as it was on the 75 HP tune but the trans shifting is factory, smooth, no hard shifts and I really like it. Makes for a much more enjoyable driving experience, especially at slow speeds.

Back ground:
I drove all day, city, highway, back roads, slow parking lot driving, and some hard accelerations.

Summary:
GDPs 0 HP tune and Fords OEM Stock TCM tune is awesome. Drives like it came from the factory. Overall I think for reliability, longevity, and a smooth factory like enjoyable drive this is the best combination.
 
#9 ·
Never had PPEI so I cant comment on them but I do have GDP and have been very happy. Truck runs great and the customer service from them has been outstanding. If you havent got in yet there is a GDP facebook group that the GDP guys are in that has lots of answers specific to GDP tuning and is a good reference place. I think the relearn procedure from ford is different for different years. The reset you got from PPEI is the ford procedure for 11 to 16. One of the guys posted it in the facebook group and it is direct from ford for those years.
 
#11 ·
Thats good to know. PPEI needs to stop sending that relearn process to people who own a 2017 and up. They need to be up to date with the latest from Ford.

The Relearn process GDP send me came from their Ford rep. I called today to verify. And as you can see from the pic I posted earlier its much easier and less stress on the truck.

What is the GDP group on facebook? I found GDP tuning but is there a group of Ford GDP guys?
 
#10 ·
I concur with the comments concerning GDP Tuning. Great customer service and always willing to assist. The one thing I noticed is the willingness to ensure that you are completely happy with their tunes without extra cost.
 
#15 ·
Ill let you come to whatever conclusion you wish.

I will saying that tuning is a gamble, so proceed at your own risk lol.

I've tuned all my Ram trucks with no issues. This Ford on the other hand is.......sensitive.
 
#16 ·
I have had PPEI and HPP in the past trucks and now GDP tuning in this one. I will agree PPEI had poor customer service and they never had much willingness to try and fix issues. GDP and HPP both were very prompt in trying to resolve issues or to make tweaks to the tune.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Update:

After a few days now driving on 0 HP and Fords OEM Trans tuning all I can say is WOW.

GDP really has their tunes dialed in. Before I switched to GDP I tried PPEIs no power tune and it had a dead spot if you mash the pedal above 35 mph. It would completely fall on its face.

GDPs 0 HP tune is smooth, and even feels a little more powerful than stock.

This combination gives me that factory feel, smooth and no punches in the kidneys enjoyable driving experience.
 
#21 · (Edited)
I would say keep working with Tyrant to see if they can fix the issue. But as a back up call GDP and ask for one of their programmers. Then explain in full what is going on and gather his thoughts on what the issue could be. Switching may or may not fix your issues.

I switched and couldn't be happier. But I would say I'm lucky.
 
#24 ·
Yea so I ended up swapping to the ez because I had a 1700 miles trip one way to C.O. From ga so I just felt better having the gauges the power feels the same but I love the way gdp shifts it’s night and day compared to the tyrant not saying the tyrant were bad I am just really really ocd when it comes to shifts that being said the gdp is a lot stiffer than the tyrant so its kinda which ever you prefer

And going down the Rocky’s not hitting the brake letting the exhaust brake slow me down was great other than the little Subaru drives looking like they wanted to kill me cause I had a straight piped diesel


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#27 · (Edited)
First QUIT YELLING!

Then do your research. To "code out" the DPF you will have to have tuning and you will have to remove the DPF/SCR/DEF system. You can tune out the DPF system, but without removing the components, they will eventually clog with soot and you will be dead on the road side. The EGR system can stay in place, but it's not really a good idea. It's better if you either block it or delete it completely.