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Oil leak puddling up under starter and trans insp. cover

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#1 ·
I have a 2002 Ford F-250 4x4 7.3 Powerstroke. I have done so much work to this truck that it might as well be brand new. This truck started as a project. Now, it’s a headache!
Right now, I am dealing with rough idle/no power and a mystery leak that just blows my damn mind!
The leak is a consistent dribble. After about 1 minute, the puddles are about the size of the palm of a medium sized hand. Yes…TWO puddles! One puddle directly under the transmission/flywheel inspection cover and another puddle directly under the starter area.
Before you tell me “it could be your turbo/turbo pedestal/o-rings”, or “it might be your high pressure oil line(s), or “it could be your rear cover (above rear main seal)” or “it could be your rear main seal”….ect, here is a list of what I’ve done so far:
-Dropped transmission to change rear main seal and pulled rear cover off and re-sealed it
-Brand New oil pan, oil pan gasket and oil dipstick/tube
-Brand New oil cooler, oil cooler o-rings and oil cooler gaskets
-BRAND NEW KC300X turbo AND turbo pedestal, AND new o-rings (all four!)
-Brand new steel braided CNC Fab HPOP lines with HPX
-Brand New stage 2 CNC Fab HPOP (replaced last week)
-Brand New stage 1.5 180cc 30% injectors with PHP hydra tuner
-Brand New Ford Motorcraft IPR (replaced last week)
-Brand New IDM
-Brand New PCM
-Brand New wiring harness
-2 BRAND NEW batteries (replaced last week)
-Brand new fuel filter (for the fuel bowl)
-Fresh Shell Rotella 15-40 oil and is topped off with a fresh oil filter.

All that work and it STILL idles rough and is gutless and…you guessed it…it STILL leaks as well!

Notice one part I didn’t mention replacing…
—> ICP
I’ve recently unplugged it and noticed oil inside of the ICP connector. I know faulty ICP’s can cause rough idle and loss of power/limited power, so I will need to replace it and find out if it solves that issue.

I have heard of people experiencing leaking a large amount of oil from their ICP (due to worn out o-ring) and the oil traveling down through that hole in the back of the valley dripping from the same places (that are mentioned above) as the oil dripping from my truck.

I have yet to notice any oil seeping around my ICP, and if it is leaking and I somehow can’t see the leak, it is definitely not leaking a noticeable amount. So, I’m baffled!

Before you ask, yes I have already checked both plugs on the back of the gallery. They are DRY!

What about crank walk? With everything I have done so far, I’m now starting to wonder about crank walk! Are these engines known for crank walk? Is crank walk common with these engines? Would crank walk cause an oil leak? I have watched my harmonic balancer and my flywheel (with transmission dropped) and both seem sturdy and not wobbly at all and moving evenly and balanced, which would lead me to believe that if my engine had any crank walk, it would be so small it’s unnoticeable.

Im mostly focused on the oil leak issue.

I don’t have a scanner and can’t check codes, therefore I can have my local diesel shop do that part.

Any help brainstorming and figuring out where my mystery oil leak is coming from is greatly appreciated, not just by me but also by others who are experiencing the same issues.

(99-03 7.3L Powerstroke)

What are ALL possible reasons why oil would leak from the rear of the engine, causing oil to puddle up on the ground directly under the starter as well as directly under the transmission/flywheel inspection cover?

Two puddles, both the size of a palm of a medium-sized hand within 1 minute’s time after the truck warms up.

Those who graciously offer their time and expertise helping to solve this issue are greatly appreciated! You are not just helping me, but anyone who has the same leak issue and are struggling to find answers regarding the issue.
 
#3 ·
Yes, valve covers are tight. I paid my cousin to put the new high pressure oil lines on, and I just learned that he didn’t replace the one that is nearest to the back of the engine yet. He said there was an issue with a fitting on the new line being too small…? He said he didn’t notice it leaking and thought it would be fine until he could find time to put the new one on. Both other (original) lines leaked. One line ruptured somehow and the other had oil seeping from the fitting. I’m wondering if the high pressure oil line that he didn’t replace yet (nearest to the rear of the engine) is now leaking? With the oil leak being a consistent drip, it makes me think that it would almost have to be related to high pressure oil pump/or lines. There is oil in the valley. But, that is from my original high pressure oil lines leaking and the oil wasn’t cleaned out very well before my cousin changed the high pressure oil lines. I will have to clean the oil out of the valley and lay down clean paper towels in the valley and let the engine run to see if I can track down the leak (if it is in the valley).
 
#6 ·
I don't mean to say never,,, but this is the most misdiagnosed oil leak we have. Because there is a hole in the back of the valley that drains down behind the flywheel, I'd say the majority of "rear main" replacements are done in error by mechanics who don't know this engine...

80% of the leaks happen "up top" and end-up draining from the inspection cover. These are HPOP lines, Fuel leaks, Turbo Pedestal, HPOP, CCV, the list goes on, all showing themselves there.

Here's an interesting video, BUT I have to warn you about this guy,,,, he makes some Good Videos, that Does NOT make him infallible. He's got some really GOOFY theories (not about this though) So, don't take him as your Guru, as many do. Confirm his advice on anything else he says 😉

 
#9 ·
Gentlemen I have had the same problem! [After removing the engine for a total overhaul] using the factory recommended RTV $23.00 bucks a tube, and yes did the total re-seal with the engine upside down. The block was sent out to be reworked vatted and cleaned.
The oil pan was not rusted or damaged in any way, in fact it was almost without blemish!
Now at this point slide forward to the edge of your seats. What I am about to tell you is crucial.
MY RE-ASSEMBLY
With the block upside down attached to my engine mount I cleaned the mating surfaces again. I know when it was vatted the cleaning solution [should have] removed all deposits, but I was taking on changes. I went over it again using a metal degreaser commonly used by aircraft mechanics during engine assembly. The mating surfaces on my oil pan received the same treatment. Ford Motocraft RTV Silicone Sealant was used.
This took place during the month of August in Texas 93 degrees was the ambient temperature with humidity of 18% at 1:03 pm. The application instructions was followed to the letter. I was in no rush, so the engine rested on the stand for a full month before I decided to complete assembly and place her back in service.
After placing her back in her cradle, giving her a proper infusion of Rotella and Motocraft coolant, she was ready.
2 hours and 23 minutes into her maiden run she was weeping oil from the rear GGGGggggrrrrrr!
My disgust was off the scale! She sat unattended for a full 6 months.
In time I was mentally stable enough to drive her up on my ramps for an underside inspection while it idled. The leak was from the rear driver side. It was bad. So I removed the tranny to assure I had not somehow screwed up the engine seal installation. It was bone dry! Matters not I replaced it with a dealer purchased seal kit anyway!
I noticed a small collection of oil accumulating between the rear of the engine and oil pan. The problem was at the corner nearest the last oil pan bolt.
I know they where all torqued to spec after assembly, and checked again after the long drying time on the stan. So the problem had not to do with a loose bolt. So what I did was used a USB micro camera to record the slow accumulation of oil over time. And sure enough it was without a doubt a surface contact leak between the pan and engine.
In my mind I asked myself how could this be given all things were finished out with such great detail! At any rate the reality of what was . . . was! So I drained the pan, drained the oil from the injector wells, and gave it a full week to drain until there were no more traces of slow weeping detectable over time as recorded with my camera.
I used the same degreaser with a hypodermic syringe to force the cleanser into and around the area were the leak was detected. I did this until the area was as sterile as I could possibly clean it! I left it alone until the next day.
Next day inspection was good. It was oil-free and and clean, I was satisfied.
NOW IF YOU CHOOSE to follow me at this point I must disclaim you are on your own. My next step was based on the fact that I know I am not going to have a reason to remove this oil pan no time soon (remember she has just enjoyed a total overhaul). I used JB Weld [not the quick bond] I used the original. My plan was to paste the whole area. starting from well ahead of where I knew it was dry, past the point of where the problem was. I did three thin coats each about 45 minutes apart. After 3 days I reinstalled the tranny, oiled her up and has had no problems since! I am now into my 3rd month with no problems. I have crawled under to inspect several times. There is not a single hint of moisture anywhere! I know better, and this is not a solution I would recommend on a customers engine.
But as you all know that have been down this road, it is a JOB and the constant problems in time will wear you out!
That's it gentlemen! That's what worked, and is still working for me. I hope it may be enough to save some poor soul the agony!