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Glow plug horror

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#1 ·
Hey

This is my first post! I just bought a 01 excursion 7.3l. Its a bit of a project however you always save the best till last. Truck has 167k miles.

Truck is throwing codes for all glow plugs ( cali truck with gpcm). Test the harness (ohm test) and it confirms the codes.

After much video watching and researching I decided to tackle the glow plug replacement myself.

Well...turns out the previous owner used autolite glow plugs and they are real effed.

Started on the drivers side. Gingerly took out cyl. 2 and 4 and they are very messed and the tips are swollen. Had to use a slightly larger socket to get some flex because there was always resistance taking out the plugs. A yways with carb cleaner abd pb they did come out. Cylinder 6 not so lucky, tip broke off the end of the plug (the part that heats up) and the rest came out.

Also cylinder 8 the wire connection tip broke off and is now in the push rod valley. Also, i cant get my 10mm socket on it. May grind a socket down a bit as i think its hitting the head bolt (hard to see).

I am debating on taking it in. I really do not want to pull the heads. After reading and searching i fou d the following:

-take injector out, smash the tip i to the cylinder and fish out the tip through the i jector hole (its hard to see as its cylinder 6)

- take head off( i really do not want to, maybe over and above my mechanical capability)

-smash tip into cylinder leave tip in cylinder and start motor, tip is made of porcelain and will smash to bits and leave peacefully (sounds like a real bad idea)

-carb cleaner and then crank the engine and or go for a drive. I maybe could cut the old glow plug down to thread on and maybe they will blow out? ( im doubtful of this because of how bad the first 2 plugs are)

Which method do you guys think is best for the autolite glow plugs? I have new motorcraft ones and a new uvch as the current one has damaged insulation.

My real question is, how do i get the autolites out without breaking anymore (ideally without taking the heads off). Im thinking of taking it to a shop and let them fuss over it. I also like saving money too and i feel a shop will be pricey these days. I could just put it back together and drive it to a shop worse case. I am in a heated garage and this vehicle is not my primary transportation currently. I do live in a very cold climate so all help is needed to get it going.

Pics or it didnt happen...(i broke the electrical tip off of six for reference to see what is in cylinder 8 push rod valley) )
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#2 ·
Magnet. See if you can find a magnet on a flexible stick that has a head small enough to get in there.

Unless it isn't magnetic. Otherwise, I wouldn't trust myself getting it all out, so heads would be coming off. But I have a 6.0 so that's a common occurrence and part of regular maintenance ;)
 
#3 ·
No matter what you do, I wouldn’t start the engine now, or after smashing the tip into the cylinder. Who knows what damage may occur to the piston, cylinder walls, or valves

I would call around to local diesel shops, maybe even machine shops and see if they have dealt with this before. If you don’t have any luck there, I’d smash it into the cylinder and attempt to retrieve the pieces through the injector hole. Follow with a borescope to make sure you got all the pieces. If those things fail, I would pull the heads


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#4 ·
@Hellraiser456

A company makes a high end broken glow plug removal tool that I would get before taking the heads off. Im not 100% this is the one for powerstrokes but give wise auto tool a call


also a helpful tip from another powerstroke owner



LEt this be a lesson to never use autolite plugs for all future readers.
 
#5 ·
What alternator is on the Excursion? Is it stock, or a high amp aftermarket? I'm curious. Depending on the answer, I may or may not have anything to say aboot this.....

I like the second method in the links Justin posted. The guy basicaly used battery current to weld an old glow plug to the broken off tip still down in the hole. Then worried it out. Hell of a thought. I like it.
 
#6 ·
If its just the tip still stuck, i have started the engine to blow them out 3 times before (on a 6.0l), so far my all 3 times worked as planned, but do so at your own risk haha. And all three were from trucks i bought with those garbage autolite glow plugs, and i always replace with motocraft only.
 
#7 ·
Hey guys

Love the replies.

I have been in chats with a couple of mechanics and one seems to think it wont be that bad. They did warn me the heads may need to be removed if they cant get it (which is big $$$). Ill talk to them more and see what methods they may try to get it out.

This weekend ill try starting it up without the valve cover to see if it will blow out. Ill use a piece of wood to stop it if it comes. I have to crank the engine over anyways (no starting though, ill pull the pcm fuse) to blow any oil out of the first 2 cylinders.

Ill report back.

He has been sitting for a week with lots or carb cleaner and pb so maybe it loosened off.
 
#8 ·
Well bad news

No luck with starting it (just turning it over, no pcm fuse). I am going to prepare to take the head off as i suspect the autolite tip is really mangled and im done worrying about it. Also something is going on with the cylinder 8 plug, so eff it.

Im not sure the tip is magnetic enough to fish out of the injector hole. Barely sticking with a good magnet.

I dont want to risk any damage as i will need this truck as a dd/ tt hauler.


I have enlisted some help and tracked down an engine hoist. Just gotta round up all the parts and fluids ( head gasket, turbo pedestal orings, up pipes, injector oring, elc coolant, ). It doesnt seem to bad, the wosrt part i think will be the passenger side (may try that side getting the plugs out prior to removal, but i am expecting one to snap).

Should i expect problems with anything? Im worried about the exhaust manaifolds. They seem to be in good shape but do bolts tend to snap? Anything esle to watch out for on a 20 year old truck?

Anything else i should do well the engine is half apart?

I will be tuning it, but mainly to help the transmission out (so 60-80hp tunes for now). Have a somewhat goal of 400rwhp ( i want to keep it realiable). I will be doing injectors, but not this time around. I guess this all assumes that there are no surprises under the head.
 
#9 ·
Well

Took the head off.

Cyl 6 glow plug pic below. Bet it would have eventually blown out. Its dirty cause it landed on the floor.

Cyl 8 had a black piece of perfectly shaped plastic in the glow plug well. That was preventing the socket from getting on it and it was submerged under the oil so i couldnt see it. Probably a fragment of the autolite.

Its back together and purring like a kitten and starting without help. Found a fuel leak on the passenger head vitron fitting and deleted ebpv as it was leaking. Also did the cps for the heck of it (it didnt have the newest cps on it).

Thanks for the help
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#10 ·
Glad you got it fixed

I suspect that being submerged in oil is what causes the tips to fail -- the seal at the top of the glow plug is not good enough to keep oil out of the inside of the plug, and pressure from heating blows the tip

Some of the machines I work with use that glow plug brand and is never a problem -- but then the top of the plug is in a dry location
Note - I have seen steam come from the top of the plugs after pressure washing -- so thinking if water gets inside, oil will also
 
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