Jeez, talk about dragging a comparison out so he can get more air time. So, to save everyone 15+ minutes of life they are pretty much the same in all aspects except the filter media. The newer version appears to be a synthetic filter media, similar to a "Wix HP" quoted from him, and the old filter media is not as good a media.

Tom

 

Thank you much.

 

I found this out about a month ago when I ordered two new 2051 filters. I received two of the newer ones and watched that same video. It wasn’t too bad.

I change my oil every 3500 to 4500 miles and only change it when the engine is at operational temp. Some say that’s a bit extreme but I’ve got almost 200,000 miles on the clock and I’ve never experienced a major issue. Still on the stock turbo too.

Anyhoo… I’ve noticed at regular oil changes that the 10W30 seems like the consistency changes to something more similar to water which is why I like keeping the oil changed. Last night was the first oil change with the new filter. The oil had 3500 miles on it. I stuck my finger into the stream and I was very surprised to find the oil was still tacky and not as watery as I’ve found it to be over the past thirteen years of ownership.

My first thought is the new filter is doing something different (better) since that’s the only change in the equation. Anyone have any ideas to the contrary?

 

Oh… and if you paid the dealer $56 for an oil filter, they’re ripping you off big time. I get my filters on Amazon and they’re OE. The dealer local to me sells them at $29.79 a pop. Amazon has them at $21.56.

Motorcraft Oil Filter - FL2124S (Replaces Motorcraft Oil Filter - FL2051S) https://a.co/d/fg7x5Rt

 

Oh… and if you paid the dealer $56 for an oil filter, they’re ripping you off big time.

Fool me once....

 

Interesting. Wonder why they changed em.
I do love the MEtube videos where people are going by look and feel and stuff.

 

So I bought the autozone one to have it on hand... aaaaand.... looks like a knock off. The writing on the box is smeared on the autozone product. Also has different style holes at the top. I'll be returning that one.

 

So I bought the autozone one to have it on hand... aaaaand.... looks like a knock off. The writing on the box is smeared on the autozone product. Also has different style holes at the top. I'll be returning that one.

Bought one at autozone looked like the one your calling a knock off. Drove all the way into town took it back and then went to O'Reilly. It looked the same. Left it. Then drove to auto zone. Same thing ! Then dealership. Same f'n thing. So I bought that one. Apparently they aren't knockoffs !!!!

 

Dealer screwed you over on price. They are available from Ford dealers online for under $30 all day long…

FL-2124-S FL2124S - Genuine Ford KIT - ELEMENT & GASKET - OIL F

Ford part # FL-2124-S FL2124S, $28.07 online at FordPartsGiant.com. Wholesale-priced and fast-delivered Ford parts KIT - ELEMENT & GASKET - OIL F.

www.fordpartsgiant.com

Genuine Ford FL-2124-S Oil Filter - FordPartsOne.com

Genuine Ford FL-2124-S Oil Filter Ships directly to you from FordPartsOne.com saving you time and money! (Replaces FL-2051-S)

fordpartsone.com

 

^truth
An old neighbor wrecked his fuel system with Chinesium fuel filters from the Amazon. They make really good Motorcraft packaging. Just not filters.

 

Mine was OE. Not sure what you got.

 

Dealership part on left of each. They're good fakes. The additive was cheap, notice they even gave less in the bottle... Amazon picture is correct, not what they sent me though...

Use what you want, maybe you got a genuine part. All I'm saying is amazon gave me fakes. Beware.

 

I'm sorry, I can't see the picture s well enough to tell which additive that is. It's a chemo thing.
Bottom line, be careful what you buy and where.
When counterfeits are found they should be reported to all involved.

AC Delco was getting a bad rap because of counterfeit AC Delco 60G glow plugs.
I had a bad, new in box sending unit, that I now wonder if it was a fake.
A lot of stuff is very well faked.

As far as I know, Amazon is now a legit seller of AcDelco parts

Some places buy in bulk and don't source what they purchase.

 

Those are not what I’d consider “good fakes”. Those look like trash. I’ve never received anything remotely close to that.

 

Lol! If you didn't have a oem part next to it you probably wouldn't know any different.

 

I’ve compared and I couldn’t tell the difference. But your pictures are blatant scam parts.

 

I just went to the ford store on Amazon and searched for the parts. Sends me to the same page that I bought from and the link that was posted. Sold and shipped by Amazon. You'd think ford would be concerned about quality control... or not...

There are ford dealers selling on Amazon. Not sure if it's worth trying one of those. I already ordered replacements through ford parts giant.

 

I just went to the ford store on Amazon and searched for the parts. Sends me to the same page that I bought from and the link that was posted. Sold and shipped by Amazon. You'd think ford would be concerned about quality control... or not...

Ford knows it is a futile battle. Besides, their respinse would rightfully be "you should buy Motorcraft parts from a dealer or authorized retailer". Several companies have sued the Chicomazon for patent/ trademark infringements. They have all lost. Basically, the Zon is held harmless if it is a 3rd party selling the bogus goods. Bezos dutifully shuts down the storefront. Then they pop up elsewhere with another meaningless name.
One possible exception is Daimler. There is (still?) ongoing litigation regarding wheels sold and shipped by Amazon that were fakes.

 

Ah, the new 2124 filter. Still made by Tearolator. Designed for the new 23's, which will extend the oil change interval to about 10k (rumored) on the dash prompt. Backward compatible to the 11 and up 6.7 .
Purolator has two media types, with the 2051 being the older, "conventional" media, and the 2124 being the "synthetic" BOSS media. The filters are identical except for media.
Why the change you ask Scooter? Longer intervals require a media that will pass oil even with more dirt present. Looking at both media types, the older 2051 actually has better specs at micron ratings than the new 2124. The 2051 in an extended OCI scenario could clog and be in bypass more often than the 2124 because it simply traps more dirt and smaller particles.
What to do? You want the synthetic media? Buy a Purolator BOSS filter. Only difference is it does not have a thread end bypass.
Want a better filter period? Donaldson P502503, or a Baldwin B7379. Both are cheaper, and filter better than either Motorcraft offering.

 

Ah, the new 2124 filter. Still made by Tearolator. Designed for the new 23's, which will extend the oil change interval to about 10k (rumored) on the dash prompt. Backward compatible to the 11 and up 6.7 .
Purolator has two media types, with the 2051 being the older, "conventional" media, and the 2124 being the "synthetic" BOSS media. The filters are identical except for media.
Why the change you ask Scooter? Longer intervals require a media that will pass oil even with more dirt present. Looking at both media types, the older 2051 actually has better specs at micron ratings than the new 2124. The 2051 in an extended OCI scenario could clog and be in bypass more often than the 2124 because it simply traps more dirt and smaller particles.
What to do? You want the synthetic media? Buy a Purolator BOSS filter. Only difference is it does not have a thread end bypass.
Want a better filter period? Donaldson P502503, or a Baldwin B7379. Both are cheaper, and filter better than either Motorcraft offering.

Thanks for the Baldwin number.
I've been looking for a place to buy Baldwin's since FS bought the local Baldwin warehouse and closed it.
The new owner of the local Napa called me yesterday and said they handle Baldwin's at their current store and will be setting this store up to handle Baldwin's as well.

Baldwin has always been a top quality filter

 

Well like I stated earlier, for years I’ve noticed my oil was like water after 3500 miles. There was no lubricant feeling to the oil what so ever. I ran the first 2124 filter and replaced the filter and oil at 3500 miles this past weekend and to my surprise, the oil was still very slick feeling. It’s a very different feel than that of the last 13 years worth of oil changes.

I’ve read some speculations on other forums that Ford changed the filter to help the oil make it to the 10,000 mile oil change interval but who in the hell really waits for the truck to tell you it’s time to change the oil? Those are the people who’s turbos fail early, engines lock up, or they end up with a nice little inspection window in the side of the block.

My oil is changed on average of 4000 miles. I may change it at 3000 or 5000 mile’s depending on where I’m at and when I’m in a place to do the oil change. But most changes have taken place closer to the 3000 mark. I never let anyone change my oil for me. I take care of my truck and so far, it’s taken very good care of me.

 

I was going to buy from my local Ford dealer and walked in to O’Reily they had the new filter ford around 21$.

 

Picture?

 

Interesting comparison between the two MC filters. Fast forward to the 9 minute mark.

 

Interesting comparison between the two MC filters. Fast forward to the 9 minute mark.

That’s the same video posted in the very first comment on this thread. 😂🤣😂

 

Just got the ford parts giant order. Same damn thing as Amazon. Are these legit or are all the suppliers selling knockoffs?

 

Did you end up using this filter or returning it?
I just bought a filter at O'Reilly and got the same-looking filter with the 5 ovals vs 8 round holes. I specifically went to O'Reilly instead of Amazon due to concern for fake items. It makes me now question the authenticity of the fuel filter kit that is also Motorcraft labeled.

 

I’ve had a few like that. Worked fine for me. I get more with round holes than ovals now though. May just be old stock of old style filters.

 

Not sure if it's a filter thing or just my bad luck this year, but i installed the 2124 filter at my last oil change in March. The end of last week I see a puddle under my truck which is extremely odd. Long story short I found the filter loosened up. It took about 3/4 of a turn to snug it up. That's the first time I've ever had that happen.

 

I went by the ford dealer to grab a couple things. Figured I would pick up an oil filter while I was at it. The parts guy told me the 2051 was superceded by the 2124 and that it was roughly double in price, 56$. I was a bit jaw dropped but told them to put it with my order. Afterward I came on the stroke to see what info was on here about it and didn't see anything. There is a good YouTube video cutting apart the 2 and doing a comparison.

By the way, autozone sells them for 22$...

I got it on Amazon for $16 shipped

 

Yeah I did that but returned it when it had the oval holes. Is yours circular holes or oval? The picture on Amazon shows the circular, which is what I got at the dealer. Ford parts giant and Amazon both shipped me the oval hole style.

 

Yeah nope oval holes so I went to the local parts store and same filters oval holes. I also noticed the part number is a sticker🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

The one I had purchased at O'Reilly originally had the 5 oval holes. When I took it to another O'Reilly to check their supply, they were as confused as I am.

I told them my concern for authenticity and they pulled every 2124 filter off their shelf and out of the back. We opened each one to check the hole arrangement. Each had the 5 oval holes instead of the 8 round ones as they showed on their own website.

Fortunately, no one else was in the store and waiting for service while the 3 of us stood there collectively scratching our heads while looking at the photos on the website and staring at the filters scattered across the counter. Were I interested enough to do the calculations, I could figure out the maximum flow potential of the 5 oval holes vs the 8 round holes, but that is not good use of my time. Someone at Ford or Motorcraft or whoever makes the Motorcraft filter (Purolator?) should be able to provide a quick answer to state clearly, "Yeah, that's one of ours... It's authentic."

Even if the media inside is the same, why the departure of the "same" filter between the dealer channel and the parts supply channel? Maybe there is a clear answer out there somewhere, but I've not seen it yet.

It's all a bit frustrating.

I returned the filter I had to O'Reilly, went to Advanced Auto Parts to see their supply, found their's the same 5 oval holes, left them scratching their heads, went to Napa, learned they don't carry Motorcraft, and now, next step will be to just go to the Ford dealer and see what they have. In the end, we will likely learn the 5 ovals are fine and the media is the same. For now, paying for the piece of mind is okay with me until a clear, concise answer emerges.

Perhaps it is all just a brilliant marketing conspiracy to compel nervous-nelly, anal-retentive, recovering-engineer, shade tree mechanics like me to pay the padded margins for the same functionality/efficiency of the Ford parts department.

For now, I can only wonder...

 

You would be the first person to comment that the dealer is selling the oval holes. Are they? No one has provided that experience yet on here. The concern is that the oval hole filters are different in some unknown way. Why would they legitimately manufacture oil filters in 2 different styles of holes?

 

This thread is leading me to wonder if the aftermarket/counterfeit paranoia on filters hasn't jumped the shark at this point?

 

the last thing anyone wants is a 25$ part damaging a $10k motor. It isn't paranoia but rather a pursuit of WHY we are seeing these differences in a common maintenance item that is critical to the operation and longevity of an expensive motor. I'm still waiting to see if anyone has bought a filter from the dealer which has the oval holes. I paid an outrageous $56 at the dealer for a filter and it is a different style than all of the secondary distributors. explanation?

 

How many times has been mentioned in this thread that the filter media hasn't changed? Because I feel like off the top of my head that has been stated a few times and just being to lazy to go back and look through the 3 pages of discussion. I understand the constant worry of counterfeit parts out there but it just seems we may be getting our panties just a wee bit to much in a wad about this. But hey to each their own.

 

Actually, it's quite the contrary. As clearly depicted in the video provided here, it clearly shows exactly the opposite... the media did change. And since we can't cut up every filter to see what media is being used, we must opt for other clues to identify valid-sourced replacement filters. Evidence has already shown there are a few indicators to cause suspicion for counterfeit items, so we try to be attentive to those clues. But the characteristic of oval vs round holes has raised a question to which some of us seek to find an answer. As yet, I have found no explanation for the significant visual difference between the same part number depending on the source where it was purchased.
As Calif250 stated, it's not paranoia, it is a pursuit of why.