Builds above Electronics Utilizing Stock 135cc/Stock Nozzle Injectors:
Stock Injectors until recently have been considered limited to builds under 450RWHP - That still remains the realistic goal of those drivers not looking to make the change to higher performing injectors. They will however, allow owners who tow heavy (at or near GCWR of their trucks) to do so with little concern for the adverse impact of hotter EGTs and internal temps.
--Supporting Modifications for Stock Injectors--
None, these have already been addressed before considering tuning.
--SCT Race Programming, 135/Stock Injectors, and the Powermax 63.5x88mm
440RWHP - By Dnyo - stock fuel system
--SCT Race Programming, FICM Tuning, 135/Stock Injectors, and the MTW Stage II 64.5x88mm
485RWHP/968Ft-Lbs - by Dyno -stock fuel system (Currently this is the highest numbers I've seen on stock injectors)
--Towing Considerations with Stock Injectors
The only consideration is to have either an appropriate street (under 8-10K load, depending on tune), or designated tow file loaded via the SCT programmer. Depending on aftermarket turbocharger, for example the Durastroke, reverting to stock Ford Programming is also an option. Towing should be avoided with any high performance program, or FICM tuning above 40HP.
Builds Utilizing 155cc/35% or 50% Nozzle Injectors:
155cc Injectors are classified the limit for those who will still use their trucks to tow heavy on a routine basis and are not chasing a higher HP goal. With the right combination of tuning 450RWHP is very achievable. These injectors can produce 500RWHP realistically with supporting modifications.
The stock turbo will still be capable of delivering sufficient air to these injectors, but a better option is to look at a 64x85 class turbo
--Supporting Modifications for 155cc Injector Builds
Regulated fuel return, or complete fuel system depending on power goals.
Cold Air Intake, should you be going after the 500RWHP mark on these injectors.
Transmission issues may develop when pushing 500RWHP, depending on driving habits the 5R110 may not require immediate
attention.
--SCT Programming, FICM Tuning, 155/35 Injectors, and the MTW Stage 2 turbo
**Confident this is the new 500RWHP setup to beat - Awaiting proven numbers**
--Towing Considerations with 155cc Injectors
Concern here lays in towing heavy at altitude, it would be recommended for those who pursue this course and tow heavy to talk with their tune writer to determine how much fuel will be pulled via tuning. The same guidance applies with regard to street and high performance tunes as they do with stock injectors.
Builds Utilizing 175cc/75% - 100% Nozzle Injectors:
175cc Injectors are the moderate point, where a truck is used to tow and work but also hot-rodded a bit more than in previous builds. With the right combination of tuning 500RWHP is very achievable. These injectors can produce 525RWHP realistically with supporting modifications.
The stock turbo will not be able to clean up these injectors completely, and require defueling via programming. The 64x85mm class turbo would be a huge improvement over stock, as these have more than enough in them to spool up a larger turbo, and will benefit greatly by the additional air.
--Supporting Modifications for 175cc Injector Builds
Complete Fuel System to ensure you have 65psi of fuel delivered to these injectors.
Cold Air Intake, at this point the stock Donaldson is going to hold you back getting the required air to these injectors.
Cold Air Intercooler Piping and intake elbow, on the '05+ trucks this plastic piping is known to fail under high boost pressures.
For the transmission, you are getting into that grey area where a Torque Converter will require an upgrade, or even consider a built transmission upgrade.
--SCT Programming, 175cc/100 Injectors, AirDog 2 Fuel System, '03 Turbo, Aftermarket Intake
476RWHP/908Ft-Lbs - By Dnyo - stock '03 turbo
517RWHP/746Ft-Lbs - By Dnyo - Modified '03 turbo
--Towing Considerations with 175cc Injectors
Any heavy towing will need to be done with a custom tow file written to pull fueling out of these injectors. Towing under street files should fall out of normal practice, and no towing under race level files. Towing with these injectors is very dependent on your choice of turbocharger, and will be limited with the stock unit.
Builds Utilizing 190cc/100% Injectors:
190cc Injectors are the stepping stone for those trucks who don't see a lot of towing, and are more of a hot-rod, or off road build. Programming will see builds over 500RWHP, however this will be limited by the stock turbocharger, even with a 64x85mm class charger builds are limited to 530RWHP based solely on a lack of airflow.
A turbocharger is a huge decision point with 190cc Injectors, the stock unit and mild upgraded turbos can't flow enough air to clean these up sufficiently. You will be looking for a 68x94 class turbo to get the most out of these sticks.
--Supporting Modifications for 190cc Injector Builds
Complete Fuel System to ensure you have 65psi of fuel delivered to these injectors.
Cold Air Intake, at this point the stock Donaldson is going to hold you back getting the required air to these injectors.
Cold Air Intercooler Piping and intake elbow, on the '05+ trucks this plastic pipeing is known to fail under high boost pressures.
For the transmission, consider a built transmission swap.
--SCT Programming, 190/75% Injectors, AirDog 2 Fuel System, Powermax Turbo, Aftermarket Intake, Intake Elbow and Pipe
**Estimated around a 550HP, looking for dyno or track numbers**
Est. 525HP (8000# truck)- Track 13.6 @99 mph - 190/75s, Powermax, no FICM tuning.
Here is a great thread covering full modifications to achieve 600RWHP with 190s and a MTW Stage 3.
http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-...cussion/263289-600hp-truck-build-summary.html
--Towing Considerations with 190cc Injectors
Heavy towing will require a well written custom program. Due to the likelihood that you will upgrade your turbocharger as well with these injectors, that airflow will really determine how much towing you can accomplish realistically.
Builds Utilizing 205cc/Any Nozzle Injectors:
205cc Injectors are in reality the limit you can consider without extensive reasearch into a particular turbo/injector/tune combination, still be able to drive the truck daily, have it be reliable, and build it to this level for the average guy. Programming will see builds over 540RWHP, the turbo becomes a required modification at this stage and will determine final power levels.
A turbocharger is a critical point in 205cc Injectors builds, the stock unit and mild upgraded turbos can't flow enough air to clean these up suffenciently. You will be looking for at least 68x94 if not larger class turbo to get the most out of these sticks.
--Supporting Modifications for 205cc Injector Builds
Complete Fuel System to ensure you have 65psi of fuel delivered to these injectors.
Cold Air Intake, at this point the stock Donaldson is going to hold you back getting the required air to these injectors.
Cold Air Intercooler Piping and intake elbow, on the '05+ trucks this plastic pipeing is known to fail under high boost pressures.
For the transmission, consider a built transmission swap.
--Towing Considerations with 205cc Injectors
Limited towing should be considered with these Injectors, and will depend on driver habits and turbocharger selection.
Stock Injectors until recently have been considered limited to builds under 450RWHP - That still remains the realistic goal of those drivers not looking to make the change to higher performing injectors. They will however, allow owners who tow heavy (at or near GCWR of their trucks) to do so with little concern for the adverse impact of hotter EGTs and internal temps.
--Supporting Modifications for Stock Injectors--
None, these have already been addressed before considering tuning.
--SCT Race Programming, 135/Stock Injectors, and the Powermax 63.5x88mm
440RWHP - By Dnyo - stock fuel system
--SCT Race Programming, FICM Tuning, 135/Stock Injectors, and the MTW Stage II 64.5x88mm
485RWHP/968Ft-Lbs - by Dyno -stock fuel system (Currently this is the highest numbers I've seen on stock injectors)
--Towing Considerations with Stock Injectors
The only consideration is to have either an appropriate street (under 8-10K load, depending on tune), or designated tow file loaded via the SCT programmer. Depending on aftermarket turbocharger, for example the Durastroke, reverting to stock Ford Programming is also an option. Towing should be avoided with any high performance program, or FICM tuning above 40HP.
Builds Utilizing 155cc/35% or 50% Nozzle Injectors:
155cc Injectors are classified the limit for those who will still use their trucks to tow heavy on a routine basis and are not chasing a higher HP goal. With the right combination of tuning 450RWHP is very achievable. These injectors can produce 500RWHP realistically with supporting modifications.
The stock turbo will still be capable of delivering sufficient air to these injectors, but a better option is to look at a 64x85 class turbo
--Supporting Modifications for 155cc Injector Builds
Regulated fuel return, or complete fuel system depending on power goals.
Cold Air Intake, should you be going after the 500RWHP mark on these injectors.
Transmission issues may develop when pushing 500RWHP, depending on driving habits the 5R110 may not require immediate
attention.
--SCT Programming, FICM Tuning, 155/35 Injectors, and the MTW Stage 2 turbo
**Confident this is the new 500RWHP setup to beat - Awaiting proven numbers**
--Towing Considerations with 155cc Injectors
Concern here lays in towing heavy at altitude, it would be recommended for those who pursue this course and tow heavy to talk with their tune writer to determine how much fuel will be pulled via tuning. The same guidance applies with regard to street and high performance tunes as they do with stock injectors.
Builds Utilizing 175cc/75% - 100% Nozzle Injectors:
175cc Injectors are the moderate point, where a truck is used to tow and work but also hot-rodded a bit more than in previous builds. With the right combination of tuning 500RWHP is very achievable. These injectors can produce 525RWHP realistically with supporting modifications.
The stock turbo will not be able to clean up these injectors completely, and require defueling via programming. The 64x85mm class turbo would be a huge improvement over stock, as these have more than enough in them to spool up a larger turbo, and will benefit greatly by the additional air.
--Supporting Modifications for 175cc Injector Builds
Complete Fuel System to ensure you have 65psi of fuel delivered to these injectors.
Cold Air Intake, at this point the stock Donaldson is going to hold you back getting the required air to these injectors.
Cold Air Intercooler Piping and intake elbow, on the '05+ trucks this plastic piping is known to fail under high boost pressures.
For the transmission, you are getting into that grey area where a Torque Converter will require an upgrade, or even consider a built transmission upgrade.
--SCT Programming, 175cc/100 Injectors, AirDog 2 Fuel System, '03 Turbo, Aftermarket Intake
476RWHP/908Ft-Lbs - By Dnyo - stock '03 turbo
517RWHP/746Ft-Lbs - By Dnyo - Modified '03 turbo
--Towing Considerations with 175cc Injectors
Any heavy towing will need to be done with a custom tow file written to pull fueling out of these injectors. Towing under street files should fall out of normal practice, and no towing under race level files. Towing with these injectors is very dependent on your choice of turbocharger, and will be limited with the stock unit.
Builds Utilizing 190cc/100% Injectors:
190cc Injectors are the stepping stone for those trucks who don't see a lot of towing, and are more of a hot-rod, or off road build. Programming will see builds over 500RWHP, however this will be limited by the stock turbocharger, even with a 64x85mm class charger builds are limited to 530RWHP based solely on a lack of airflow.
A turbocharger is a huge decision point with 190cc Injectors, the stock unit and mild upgraded turbos can't flow enough air to clean these up sufficiently. You will be looking for a 68x94 class turbo to get the most out of these sticks.
--Supporting Modifications for 190cc Injector Builds
Complete Fuel System to ensure you have 65psi of fuel delivered to these injectors.
Cold Air Intake, at this point the stock Donaldson is going to hold you back getting the required air to these injectors.
Cold Air Intercooler Piping and intake elbow, on the '05+ trucks this plastic pipeing is known to fail under high boost pressures.
For the transmission, consider a built transmission swap.
--SCT Programming, 190/75% Injectors, AirDog 2 Fuel System, Powermax Turbo, Aftermarket Intake, Intake Elbow and Pipe
**Estimated around a 550HP, looking for dyno or track numbers**
Est. 525HP (8000# truck)- Track 13.6 @99 mph - 190/75s, Powermax, no FICM tuning.
Here is a great thread covering full modifications to achieve 600RWHP with 190s and a MTW Stage 3.
http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-...cussion/263289-600hp-truck-build-summary.html
--Towing Considerations with 190cc Injectors
Heavy towing will require a well written custom program. Due to the likelihood that you will upgrade your turbocharger as well with these injectors, that airflow will really determine how much towing you can accomplish realistically.
Builds Utilizing 205cc/Any Nozzle Injectors:
205cc Injectors are in reality the limit you can consider without extensive reasearch into a particular turbo/injector/tune combination, still be able to drive the truck daily, have it be reliable, and build it to this level for the average guy. Programming will see builds over 540RWHP, the turbo becomes a required modification at this stage and will determine final power levels.
A turbocharger is a critical point in 205cc Injectors builds, the stock unit and mild upgraded turbos can't flow enough air to clean these up suffenciently. You will be looking for at least 68x94 if not larger class turbo to get the most out of these sticks.
--Supporting Modifications for 205cc Injector Builds
Complete Fuel System to ensure you have 65psi of fuel delivered to these injectors.
Cold Air Intake, at this point the stock Donaldson is going to hold you back getting the required air to these injectors.
Cold Air Intercooler Piping and intake elbow, on the '05+ trucks this plastic pipeing is known to fail under high boost pressures.
For the transmission, consider a built transmission swap.
--Towing Considerations with 205cc Injectors
Limited towing should be considered with these Injectors, and will depend on driver habits and turbocharger selection.