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i am not that sharp with the ficm units ( fuel injection control module) i would like to know if it this is a point of running a higher voltage ficm unit than stock on a stock truck???? :icon_ford::dunno:
 

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I'm curious as to whether they can tune the 58v ficm and if so, what kind of bennifit that might give. I see on swamps site where they offer a 48v, 58v, and they also offer tuning from php. My question is if they will tune a 58v...not to hijack.

Also, while we're on this, vivian at quick tricks also offers a 58v ficm...not sure if it's via swamps, or if its their own deal. I actually just started a thread asking about peoples experiance with her ficm's.

And, to try to answer your question, I think I read on swamps site a while back, I couldn't find it now, or i'd post a link...but from what I gathered the higher voltage aids in cycling the spool valve open faster, and thus being able to introduce fuel for a longer period of time (same effect as heavier ramp angles on a camshaft with the same duration as a less agressive camshaft...opens faster, stays open longer). I could be totally wrong, and I think there's more to it, but that's what I can recall. I think the result was better throttle response. I'll be watching those too, eager to see if anyone tunes a 58v.
 

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Heres a good link
http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-0l-performance-parts-discussion/264206-48v-vs-58v-ficm.html

Which also amswers some of my questions from earlier post, apparently pgreensvt was a beta tester for the bpd 58v ficm. He then used his gryphon tuner to tune the ficm so indeed you can do both. Having never ridden in various setups to compare, i can only speculate based off what ive read. It sounds like the differences in voltage will only net you small gains in smoother driveability and idle, perhaps a mile or two per gallon...

Mitch, if you read this, correct me if im wrong. Btw how goes the beta testing? Was there as much difference with the ficm tuned vs stock as there was with your idp 48v? Or did any gains of the 58v kinda wash out or blur some of the tuning gains?
 

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From what ive read upgrading to 58v isnt worth it and it makes your FICM run even hotter then before. If you need 58v to get your injectors to work right then get your injectors repaired. I think they do a 52v or something less then 58v but more then 48v, I would look into that instead.
 

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The bullet proof diesel ficm is selectable between 48, 53: and 58...however theirs is ground up totally re-engineered with redundancy in circuitry. If money was no object, I'd order up one of those, then slap the atlas 40 tune on it...then you're approaching 1k in a ficm...mines not bad, so that's a lot of money to dump into it.

Pgreensvt hasnt steered me wrong yet...he says you won't be dissappointed by running the 58v...and I always trust 'strangers' online! Lol...but I might try the upgraded swamps 58v with the PHP tune. Then again I might leave mine alone until it craps out...
 

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I have a swamps 58v FICM and flashed it using the PHP Gryphon with the Atlas 40 tune. I havent noticed any real power gains but the truck is much smoother running. I personally find that some of the lag is gone as well. I should mention that other than the swamps ficm and the tune my truck is COMPLETELY stock, exhaust and all! LOL
 

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you can run a FICM tune on a 58v FICM and you can run it on a bone stock truck.
 

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After reading lots of threads about this, I think I might actually go with vivians rebuilt/upgraded 58v ficm, athen order the gryphon ficm tuner, trying to find out how much that is now. I like the idea of selecting the different tunes, like running atlas 40 day in and out...but come dyno day, or track day being able to dial it up to herculese, and it gives you that much more tunability, as youre adjusting different parameters/more parameters than you can with just ecm tuning. Perhaps this would really let you dial in that exact perfect tune for your setup, especially those with bigger turbos to better use the new fuel
potential...just thinking.

As far as voltage, I haven't come across any threads where anyone has fried their injectors or anything, or for that matter burned up a ficm because of extra heat, maybe they're there but I haven't found such issues. I like that all reports have said 58v is definitely smoother, and i think it'd help the stiction issue in the cold too.

Edit, plus with her lifetime warranty its hard not to try 58v.
 

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Yeah guys I have a BPD FICM at 58v with the Hercules FICM tune on it. No worries about running the BPD FICM at 58v because all of the internals are built to handle it. The FICM has 2 components to it. It has the power board which supplies the power to the injectors and it has a separate logic board that has the programming. They are 2 different unrelated functions so tuning and power output are totally unrelated. Tune and set your power level as you desire.

As for running at 58v it really depends on who's FICM you choose to run. All it takes is a resistor to change the voltage from 48 to 58 volts. If all the person that repaired the FICM did was resolder the power board and add a resistor then I'd be skeptical about running 58v. The components in the oem board are nearly maxed out at normal output and IMO there isn't sufficient head room to step the output up without compromising the longevity of the board.

If the components on the power board are replaced with better components with more head room then I wouldn't worry about running 58v. Since the BPD FICM has a totally redesigned power board with properly sized components and failover redundancy, not to mention the size and quality of the heat sink, there is no reason to be concerned about 58v output. The others you need to find out what was done with the repair. In the case of Vivian's FICM or anyone else that will give you a lifetime warranty on a 58v FICM why not run one.

My stock tuned 58v BPD FICM felt better than my moderate tuned IDP 48v FICM. Engine started better, ran smoother, and throttle response felt better. It was a very subtle difference that many might not have noticed but it was definitely there.
 

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I 'm running with Swamps 58v fimc.
about two years now with no issues.
The stock one was shot allready when i bought the truck..
Was not hard to decide what to do when i was sure that my stock fimc is goner..

Cause of ;
you can bought stock new one from one ford dealer in this country there is only this one thing..
It need to be ordered from u.s. with no returns(takes about a month), it cost about 1800 usd and no one in this country can programm it to your truck to get it work...

So couple of e mails and 58v version was on its way to here. Arrived in less than 2 weeks
And it was plug and play and did cost half of it including all shipping ,taxes and duties.



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I run the BPD 6 phase on 58v with PHP mild tune, price is not bad @695$ the PHP tune was already on my logic board, but was $150. Truck starts and runs much better cold, idles smoother, just feels smoother al around. and the failsafe redundant powerphases are a good insurance policy.
 

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Xjeeper and Mitch, is there still a noticeable difference between a stock tned 58v fircm, and a tuned 58v ficm...I'd kinda presume the gains of the higher voltage might dilute some of the gains from the tune...I'm on the fence about ordering the PHP ficm programmer. 400 bucks, but I like being able to mix and match ecm tunes with ficm tunes for power, mileage, egt's for towing.

And, how's yalls mileage with tuned 58v ficm?
 

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Xjeeper and Mitch, is there still a noticeable difference between a stock tned 58v fircm, and a tuned 58v ficm...I'd kinda presume the gains of the higher voltage might dilute some of the gains from the tune...I'm on the fence about ordering the PHP ficm programmer. 400 bucks, but I like being able to mix and match ecm tunes with ficm tunes for power, mileage, egt's for towing.

And, how's yalls mileage with tuned 58v ficm?
i don't have a 58v FICM, but from everyone that started out with either a tuned FICM and got it upgraded to a 58v or started out with a 58v and got it tuned....there is no difference/gain from a 58v FICM to a tuned 58v FICM. Performance between the two is the same....i even heard this from Eric at ID.
 

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i don't have a 58v FICM, but from everyone that started out with either a tuned FICM and got it upgraded to a 58v or started out with a 58v and got it tuned....there is no difference/gain from a 58v FICM to a tuned 58v FICM. Performance between the two is the same....i even heard this from Eric at ID.
Kinda makes me want to just stick with the 58v alone, and not dump another 400 bucks on the programmer. I wonder if there's any mileage gains/differences between a stock tuned 58v and tuned 58v. Now I kinda wish maybe I'd just ordered the tuner from php, and not done the 58v deal, same price, and you can un-tune it afterwords. Oh well, FICM is already on it's way to Vivian...:crazy:
 

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i don't have a 58v FICM, but from everyone that started out with either a tuned FICM and got it upgraded to a 58v or started out with a 58v and got it tuned....there is no difference/gain from a 58v FICM to a tuned 58v FICM. Performance between the two is the same....i even heard this from Eric at ID.
So if you put hercules on a 58v it wouldnt make a difference?

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So if you put hercules on a 58v it wouldnt make a difference?

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Pgreensvt did with a BPD ficm and a PHP gryphon ficm tuner, and said it did make a difference, but subtle. I'm wondering if the atlas 40 would even be noticeable. I like that it gives you options, but if those fine tuning options cost 7-800 bucks, that's a lot. They're effecting two different sides of the FICM, obviously the 58 volt is in reference to the power supply side, while the tuning takes place in the logic side...kinda funny to think that two seperate processes would have not only similar, but cross canceling results...I see how the 58v would make it smoother, which is part of the reason i went that route...But I also see how a stock tuned FICM could potentially limit some of what a tuned ECM is telling it to do...that's just my perception on it. Vivian said you can only ad but so much fuel...which is true of any engine, you can only use effeciently so much fuel at a time. Just thinking outloud...
 

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Pgreensvt did with a BPD ficm and a PHP gryphon ficm tuner, and said it did make a difference, but subtle. I'm wondering if the atlas 40 would even be noticeable. I like that it gives you options, but if those fine tuning options cost 7-800 bucks, that's a lot. They're effecting two different sides of the FICM, obviously the 58 volt is in reference to the power supply side, while the tuning takes place in the logic side...kinda funny to think that two seperate processes would have not only similar, but cross canceling results...I see how the 58v would make it smoother, which is part of the reason i went that route...But I also see how a stock tuned FICM could potentially limit some of what a tuned ECM is telling it to do...that's just my perception on it. Vivian said you can only ad but so much fuel...which is true of any engine, you can only use effeciently so much fuel at a time. Just thinking outloud...
Actually what I said was there was a subtle improvement going from my IDP moderate tuned FICM and the stock tuned BPD 58v FICM. I then installed the hercules tune later. I was having issues with the truck though so I don't know how much difference that made. Certainly not 100hp difference, but that was not expected with a tuned truck and the 58v FICM. When I get my truck back together and on the dyno again I'll get some numbers with just the FICM program change.
 

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if i had to do one or the other....i'd choose the tuned FICM over the 58v FICM. You'll gain more with the tuned FICM. Not will it only fuel more, but it will do what a 58v FICM will do....such as start nicer, be more responsive and possible gain mpg's. The 58v FICM isn't gonna fuel harder like a tuned FICM will. This is why most performance shops will tell ya the 58v FICM really isn't worth the juice.
 

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Just get the $150 FICM reflash, I had mine before the BPD 58v FICM, I had last year's old hybrid FICM strategy without inductive heating (starts fine unplugged in Chicago's cold unplugged, I will be upgrading to the Atlas 40 as soon as PHP can send out the remote tuner. If it is a choice of one or the other, get the BPD 6 phase. Add a FICM tune later if you want and funds allow. the BPD FICM will not fail due to a bad Ford inductive heating FICM strategy.
 
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