[HeavyAssault]

I read this recently on a site:

Those Ford F-150 Lightning customers will also receive 250 kilowatt-hours of free charging at Electrify America stations through the FordPass Rewards program, which is equivalent to 575 miles of range or nearly three “fill-ups” for pickups equipped with the standard range battery. The company’s fast DC chargers can add around 54 miles of range in approximately 10 minutes to Lightning models equipped with the extended range battery, as well as go from a 15 percent state of charge to 80 percent in around 41 minutes.

I'd expect to go from 15% to 100% is at least an hour of time if not longer.
With all that I found the "costs" to be around $.50 per KW thru charging stations. It sounds cheaper than fuel, but then the time to charge adds to your trip. Not to mention any costs if you add on any sort of home charging system/outlets.

I'm talking about this as to learn what may be "real world" money one needs to spend just to charge up. As I travel most times from VA to GA it takes me roughly 6-7 hours. So if to travel using an EV, 575 miles I got to stop for a charge that adds 41 minutes I'd be adding 2 hours to my trip. Then to finish my trip to FL I'd have to drive another 6-7 hours (as of now with fuel) but add another 2 hours with an EV. So my current 13-14 hour trip now becomes 18 hours.....

Am I doing the "math" correctly?? I'm not saying EVs don't have a place, but going on my trip it's clearly not an option.

 

[TKR]

California is going to ban new gas vehicles by 2035. There are other states looking into this also!! The battery technology is going to have to get substantially better to make any EV worthwhile, as far as I'm concerned!!

 

[FordDoctor]

The national infrastructure to support high EV use does not exist. I own a Fusion Plug-In Hybrid. It has a limited EV range BUT for me it covers commuting to and from work along with short trips around town. While I try to use the car in EV mode as much as possible, I do use gas - I fill my 11-gallon fuel tank every 3-4 months. I charge the car using the 120v charger supplied with the car that uses a stand house outlet. If I were to go with a new EV the cost of adding a second electrical service, wires from the pole and the charging station would be cost prohibitive. (my electrical service is on the opposite side of the house) I like electric vehicles - they are quiet, smooth and have a lot of torque. I doubt I will EVER go all in.

 

[berrnard]

looks like good math
keep in mind too, that is best case scenario from fords marketing. i would take it with a grain of salt.

 

[The Evil Twin]

Oh, one of my favorite subjects- energy!
In a perfect world, your math is good. We don't live in a perfect world though. The truck probably wouldn't get that far on a charge due to temperature and traffic variations. Added to that, you would have to plan the trip based on charger locations. So you may be able to go 500 miles in a charge but if one location is 350 miles down the road and the next is 650 miles you'll have to short- stop at 350. You could end up having to stop an additional time each way.
The cost is another factor. The only real way an EV is cost effective per mile over gas is when you charge at home. That tends to be $0.13/ kwh depending in where you live. And you brought up time. Time is money to me. An extra few hours added to a trip is not something I'd be willing to pay.
In FordDoctors example- commuting, makes great sense. EVs are great for that. Charge at home for less and have a predetermined round trip.

 

[FordDoctor]

In FordDoctors example- commuting, makes great sense. EVs are great for that. Charge at home for less and have a predetermined round trip.

It also helps to have an employer that has charging stations.

 

[The Evil Twin]

It also helps to have an employer that has charging stations.

Almost as good as "friends, with benefits" 😄

 

[TooManyToys]

There have been a few articles written about the wait time. And it depends on the capability of the charge station. On a long trip, it might add days to the travel time.

And, of course, the discussion about when the battery needs to be replaced; cost, availability, and recycling/disposal. The last often has the rebute, well, by then, we have figured it out.

Family Stunned After Learning That Used Electric Ford Focus' Batteries Cost More Than The Car Itself | Carscoops

Avery Siwinski got her second-hand Ford Focus Electric for $11,000; six months later, she was looking at a $14,000 battery replacement

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[Heavy_GD]

California is going to ban new gas vehicles by 2035. There are other states looking into this also!! The battery technology is going to have to get substantially better to make any EV worthwhile, as far as I'm concerned!!

we should never react to a publicity stunt 10 years out

that said, just prepare for the rolling brown outs while the elite and govt sectors still use gas vehicles

 

[TheLinconlGreen]

China has graveyards full of ev cars. Must be cheaper to just replace them when the batteries fail.

 

[TooManyToys]

It's the China mentality. It's one of the reasons they have so much pollution, from craddle to grave. And why their products are crap - it no longer works, toss it and get new.

They also dump a lot into the ocean, which is some (or all) of the plastic that washes up on the west coast of the USA. The nine year old kid got it wrong about straws.

I can't find the picture of them pulling out all the manual and electric bikes out of a park's lake.

Unfortunately, the rest of the world is starting to get the habit.

Paris.

 

[Alaskanfun]

The government/crazy environmentalists won’t be happy until we are driving wagons drawn by horses. Of course they won’t be, they’ll still be flying around in their private jets and chauffeur driven limos.

 

[MtnTallPaul]

There is so much wrong with the concept of a "nation of EVs" as the state of the art exists today, and I don't see it changing much.

1. Range. A recent test showed a F150 Lightning going only 90 miles pulling a travel trailer. Yes, someday improved battery technology might improve this.

2. Power generation capacity. A nation of EVs is going to require a lot more power generation capacity. I haven't seen a plan to put that in place, and even if a plan was in place, it would be doubtful that it could be implemented by 2035.

3. Power distribution capacity. See #2 above.

4. Raw materials requirements. EVs need a lot of different raw materials for production. In addition to the iron, steel, aluminum and plastics needed for ICE powered vehicles, EVs need lithium, cobalt, nickel, neodymium, and other rare earth elements that are labor intensive and environmentally hazardous. Furthermore, for many of these things we must depend on other countries we probably don't want to be beholden to.

And we're doing all this to "save the environment" by reducing CO2 emissions? A few good volcanic eruptions are all it will take to make much of the world wish for more "greenhouse gases".

Anthropogenic Climate Change is a scam.

 

[Alaskanfun]

Commiefornia has blackouts all the time without the utilization of millions of EV’s. If they force everyone to get rid of their fuel rigs then those blackouts will increase. Which I guess is what they want, to be able to control how, when, and how far peasants are “allowed” to travel. If you have an EV and the government decides that you shouldn’t be driving it, they can just cut your power. Unless you’re set up completely autonomously from the grid you won’t be able to drive anywhere. Most peasants can’t afford the cost of those systems. Limiting travel is a great way to control your peasant population. Just one more reason why I would never live in Commiefornia.

 

[6LiterTeter]

You all might enjoy “Who Killed the Electric Car?” I think it’s on Netflix. It gives one a perspective of how it “started” here for one car company.

I think EV’s are cool under certain criteria for many people. I’m happy to see them as an option for those who can use them. Take away my option for gas and diesel though? Not cool.

 

[MtnTallPaul]

Commiefornia has blackouts all the time without the utilization of millions of EV’s. If they force everyone to get rid of their fuel rigs then those blackouts will increase. Which I guess is what they want, to be able to control how, when, and how far peasants are “allowed” to travel. If you have an EV and the government decides that you shouldn’t be driving it, they can just cut your power. Unless you’re set up completely autonomously from the grid you won’t be able to drive anywhere. Most peasants can’t afford the cost of those systems. Limiting travel is a great way to control your peasant population. Just one more reason why I would never live in Commiefornia.

Not sure even charging off the grid will help.

Just look at how Tesla does software updates.

One of those could just as easily shut your car down.

 

[FordDoctor]

More and more the Amish people are looking smarter.

 

[Alaskanfun]

More and more the Amish people are looking smarter.

And our government is now going after them as well.

 

[SuperCrutyPS]

A lot of people here in CA are getting weird. Some are sure once 2035 gets here only EVs can be driven here. NOPE! There will still be millions of fuel based vehicles on the road with the infrastructure to support them. And plenty of used cars to purchase too. A couple days ago the legislature sent the bill to Grusome Newsom to sign it, which he did. Part of the bill talks about transition from used fuel based vehicles to EVs. I don't know the timeline for that.
I think EV makers need to incorporate solar charging to their vehicles. Hopefully, they're working on that too.

 

[6LiterTeter]

And our government is now going after them as well.

Just read that story today. They’re suing and will win but you’ll never hear about it in the “news”.