warren 190/75 or 190/30???

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blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · Sep 16, 2013

So I'm stuck right now with my injectors me and jesse have been messaging back and forth talking about my options. Heres the deal I'm for sure putting in 190's on my truck from him no doubt but with the amount that I tow and as periodically as I do I don't know whether to go with a 75 nozzle or a 30 nozzle jess said that he runs a 190/30 on his tow rig and its clean and great but if i want to run a 75 on them as long as my tow tune can restrict the fuel well enough it wouldnt hurt it at all. What are my risk if i go 190/75 i tow anywhere from 16 to 32ft cattle trailers full of cows and or horses and also farm machinery pretty often. Also what are my hp differences between getting the 190/75 vs the 190/30 need help and suggestions and experiences?!?!?

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windrunner408

· #41 · Sep 16, 2013

EGTs should be fine with this setup on a tow tune. Of course, I'm currently testing the turbo in my sig that I built my self (not an MTW turbo :hehe

and I think I will possibly be able to tow with my 190/100s with no problem. No details yet. Collecting data.

blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · #42 · Sep 16, 2013

windrunner408 said:
EGTs should be fine with this setup on a tow tune. Of course, I'm currently testing the turbo in my sig that I built my self (not an MTW turbo :hehe and I think I will possibly be able to tow with my 190/100s with no problem. No details yet. Collecting data.

Wow that thing will be a monster if you can manage to work that out let me know how that goes I'd like to know!

windrunner408

· #43 · Sep 16, 2013

Yea, it's a prototype right now so I'm collecting data with it. So far though, it's looking good. We'll see. It's actually not that big of a turbo. Just designed for efficiency. Hopefully my theories were right.

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onebadcoastie

· #44 · Sep 16, 2013

OP, remember this, if you add more fuel and you don't add more air, you're gonna have a ton of heat. Having more air to help clean that fuel up will aid in keeping egt's at bay. FWIW, it may behoove you to consider a ported intake manifold. You can pick one of those up cheaper than a set of injectors with nozzles.

blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · #45 · Sep 16, 2013

onebadcoastie said:
OP, remember this, if you add more fuel and you don't add more air, you're gonna have a ton of heat. Having more air to help clean that fuel up will aid in keeping egt's at bay. FWIW, it may behoove you to consider a ported intake manifold. You can pick one of those up cheaper than a set of injectors with nozzles.

The ported intake is on my list I'm hoping to do all my remaining stuff at once so I don't have to run the injectors in a situation that would be harmful to them or my truck.

kdogg85

· #46 · Sep 17, 2013

Or versus he hawing around with the little stuff. Step up and run 205's with compounds and have 500 horsepower to tow with, and 600+ to play with. That's assuming you don't have a dead injector now and need it repaired.

Why have studs and all that, plus still possibly needing a transmission, all that money for a meager return.

Adamv7010

· #47 · Sep 17, 2013

06-6.0 stoker said:
It's all about tuning.

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This should be the only answer.

Hell I've towed some with 205s and a stock turbo @ pretty much sea level with a good tow file. Driving sensibly I didn't see much over 1000-1200*

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windrunner408

· #48 · Sep 17, 2013

kdogg85 said:
...Step up and run 205's with compounds and have 500 horsepower to tow with, and 600+ to play with...Why have studs and all that, plus still possibly needing a transmission, all that money for a meager return.

I have to say that this makes sense to me.

bondajb

· #49 · Sep 17, 2013

My build has stalled searching for a turbo that could handle a larger injector to tow my 17k lb 5th.
I have a BTS Stg2 now and pulls very well with stock sticks and show good potential to handle 175/30..
injectors will added soon..1-6 months..

TooMuch03

· #50 · Sep 17, 2013

kdogg85 said:
Or versus he hawing around with the little stuff. Step up and run 205's with compounds and have 500 horsepower to tow with, and 600+ to play with. That's assuming you don't have a dead injector now and need it repaired.

Why have studs and all that, plus still possibly needing a transmission, all that money for a meager return.

Awesome advice.

Go big or go home.

kdogg85

· #51 · Sep 17, 2013

I just said that because the stock hpop will handle 205's plus when are two snails uncool?

Op do what you want, I just wanted to add the other end of the spectrum, its a more expensive avenue, but more rewarding.

blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · #52 · Sep 17, 2013

kdogg85 said:
I just said that because the stock hpop will handle 205's plus when are two snails uncool?

Op do what you want, I just wanted to add the other end of the spectrum, its a more expensive avenue, but more rewarding.

I'm alittle confused now since I started out with a 190 thread and I was getten bashed all the way down to a 155 because how much I tow and now I'm hearing a 205 stick will that even work for me on how much I tow as frequent as I do and I might add when I tow it's not small distances I usually average a 200 to 300 mile trip everytime I hook up the trailer

windrunner408

· #53 · Sep 17, 2013

What Kdogg is saying OP is why go through and pay all the money for bullet proofing the motor and beefing up the trans to only throw 500hp at it?? The platform that most make when they do this will handle significantly more power than that. So why just stop with a small turbo and injector upgrade, when for a little more you can have some serious power/fun potential?? I believe that is what he is saying. At least that is how I am taking it :hehe::hehe: and I have to agree.

peixinho

· #54 · Sep 17, 2013

Six0~Stroker said:
I have 175/30's and a Hybrid... Having slight towing issues with heat! Drives great when empty though.

I dynoed 590 and 603 HP on Saturday but realistically I am probably at like 520 more likely!

I don't think you will be losing much with the 155 and stage 1 turbo compared to my setup.. you might be saving yourself from a fuel system, ported intake, and a TRANSMISSION if you go with 155's....

These 175's like to eat trannies LOL.

175s and a mid size turbo = towing problems

kdogg85 said:
Or versus he hawing around with the little stuff. Step up and run 205's with compounds and have 500 horsepower to tow with, and 600+ to play with. That's assuming you don't have a dead injector now and need it repaired.

Why have studs and all that, plus still possibly needing a transmission, all that money for a meager return.

awesome build but it will be a lot of work and money... you gotta pay to play!!! I will most likely end up with some sort of combo like this one. But it will take a lot of time, money, and research.

SickStroke6.0 said:
I towed 13,000 pounds on a regular basis with my 190/75's and PowerMax. EGT's were manageable, as long as you didn't floor it up a hill. Using tow/haul helps as well, because it will downshift earlier and lower EGT's.

I think 190/30's and a billet 68mm PowerMax or a MTW Stage 3 turbo would be awesome.

Read between the lines... manageable is not the same as optimal

fordfan30 said:
I have his 190/30s installed and with ported and polished heads and a ported intake i have no trouble hitting 1600 unloaded i havent tried to haul anything but a$$

1600 egts unloaded equals way too hot while loaded down... you would have to detune the truck... or just go with a smaller injector

windrunner408 said:
If you're towing frequently, then I'm not sure why you are looking at 190cc injectors and a dinky turbo like a Stage 1/Powermax. I guess it all depends on the weight you're looking to yank around. I have 190/100s, and I couldn't imagine trying to tow with these injectors and a Stage 1. On Eric's Xtreme X, I could 1800F EGTs before 80 mph empty and I don't see the point in getting 190s and then cramping down the injector's ability to flow just to say you have 190s. I guess, what I would recommend is if you go with 190s, then get at least 50% nozzles as 30% nozzles (like stock) are going to be too small.

you would need bigger than a stage 1 to clean up 190s... but then you have to worry about turbo lag and lugging the motor (getting underneath the turbo) which makes towing hard

shu873 said:
Guys it sounds to me like the OP is towing well in excess of 10,000 lbs several times a week. I personally don't know why he would be considering 190's with any nozzle for a truck that does this. I know he wants a truck that plays too, but I think that's demanding a lot. It's doable, but not as easy as slapping on a powermax and having a tune emailed to you.

OP, if you HAVE to have 190's go with the smaller nozzle. If it was me I'd stay down around 155's, maybe stretch it to 175's with a small nozzle. IMHO no need for more than that with a small single VGT towing as much as you do. I would also recommend live tuning.

190s is hard to tow with... but your truck will be very fast...

06-6.0 stoker said:
Tuning is the biggest tool when trying to make large injectors and nozzles drive able. Any injector/nozzle combo can be made drive able with tuning.

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IMO You can turn down injectors to a certain extent... but if you are just going to turn them down then start with something that will better suit your needs

PGreenSVT said:
For towing your kind of weight the Stage1 with 155/30's is a proven combination however the Powermax with a billet wheel and 175/30's would be a workable combo as well. Don't go bigger than you can use because pulling fuel from a big injector to keep egt's and smoke down will result in less torque than a smaller injector that you can run a longer pulse width on. Bigger isn't always better.

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william_ace said:
^^ If thats the case then I would definitly stick with 155/30s or 175/30s. You will be able to tow to full capacity with a good tow tune and will be able to have some fun around town with a race tune. 190s won't work in this situation.

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Pro fuzz said:
I pull 15000 lb ( 41 ft toy hauler ) flat ground w/ 155/stock & powermax billet wheel on Eric's heavy tow tune steady 1000-1200 egts!! I wouldn't want any bigger injectors on my set up !!

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Adamv7010 said:
This should be the only answer.

Hell I've towed some with 205s and a stock turbo @ pretty much sea level with a good tow file. Driving sensibly I didn't see much over 1000-1200*

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You can put any combo together... detune it... drive sensibly... and manage to keep your egts down and will actually make it to your destination. But no one is saying 205s and a stock turbo is optimal

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Six0~Stroker

· #55 · Sep 17, 2013

I AGREE with the post above:nod::thumb:

Fox Hunt

· #56 · Sep 17, 2013

fordfan30 said:
I have his 190/30s installed and with ported and polished heads and a ported intake i have no trouble hitting 1600 unloaded i havent tried to haul anything but a$$

What turbo are you running with your setup?

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Adamv7010

· #57 · Sep 18, 2013

peixinho said:
You can put any combo together... detune it... drive sensibly... and manage to keep your egts down and will actually make it to your destination. But no one is saying 205s and a stock turbo is optimal

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Optimal? No where close...my point was, with tuning you can do almost anything necessary with most any streetable setup

06-6.0 stoker

· #58 · Sep 18, 2013

Adamv7010 said:
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Optimal? No where close...my point was, with tuning you can do almost anything necessary with most any streetable setup

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peixinho

· #59 · Sep 18, 2013

Adamv7010 said:
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Optimal? No where close...my point was, with tuning you can do almost anything necessary with most any streetable setup

agreed :thumb: I think we are on the same page.

Adamv7010

· #60 · Sep 18, 2013

peixinho said:
agreed :thumb: I think we are on the same page.

But fwiw I have towed around 6.5k through the mountains with 205s and a stock charger on Vivian's tow gold file for stock fuel

Disclaimer: if you do this, you will most likely melt 2+ pistons...so don't do it

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