warren 190/75 or 190/30???

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blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · Sep 16, 2013

So I'm stuck right now with my injectors me and jesse have been messaging back and forth talking about my options. Heres the deal I'm for sure putting in 190's on my truck from him no doubt but with the amount that I tow and as periodically as I do I don't know whether to go with a 75 nozzle or a 30 nozzle jess said that he runs a 190/30 on his tow rig and its clean and great but if i want to run a 75 on them as long as my tow tune can restrict the fuel well enough it wouldnt hurt it at all. What are my risk if i go 190/75 i tow anywhere from 16 to 32ft cattle trailers full of cows and or horses and also farm machinery pretty often. Also what are my hp differences between getting the 190/75 vs the 190/30 need help and suggestions and experiences?!?!?

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onebadcoastie

· #2 · Sep 16, 2013

Having the right turbo to help clean up the fuel is essential and aids with not having to pull as much fuel. If you can clean that fuel up you'll be golden. As for the /30 vs /75 nozzle, I think you could have fuel pulled and have your tuner work you a pretty good tow file and I'd recommend Matt at Gearhead for that. tow tuning also works the transmission data and he's great at it. I say go with the 75's and be done with it. I'm assuming you're upgrading turbos because 190's on a stock turbo is pushing the envelope a bit...hahaha It's doable but not optimal.

blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 16, 2013

onebadcoastie said:
Having the right turbo to help clean up the fuel is essential and aids with not having to pull as much fuel. If you can clean that fuel up you'll be golden. As for the /30 vs /75 nozzle, I think you could have fuel pulled and have your tuner work you a pretty good tow file and I'd recommend Matt at Gearhead for that. tow tuning also works the transmission data and he's great at it. I say go with the 75's and be done with it. I'm assuming you're upgrading turbos because 190's on a stock turbo is pushing the envelope a bit...hahaha It's doable but not optimal.

Thank you I was thinking it should be fine as long as my tune was good also just got me thinking when he told me he ran 30's on his but ok Jesse has me tune that he said would work good with the 75's and yes I'm definitely switching out turbos I was thinking a stage 1 powermax do you think that would be pretty idea or you got any suggestions?

onebadcoastie

· #4 · Sep 16, 2013

stage 1 is a great turbo. It won't clean up 190 completely but it's a great towing turbo as well. You can also opt for the 10-blade turbine version which will help flow more air on the top end which will aid in cleaning up the fuel but has the potential to be a little laggy down low, but that can be fixed with tuning as well.

fordfan30

· #5 · Sep 16, 2013

blacknasty6.0 said:
So I'm stuck right now with my injectors me and jesse have been messaging back and forth talking about my options. Heres the deal I'm for sure putting in 190's on my truck from him no doubt but with the amount that I tow and as periodically as I do I don't know whether to go with a 75 nozzle or a 30 nozzle jess said that he runs a 190/30 on his tow rig and its clean and great but if i want to run a 75 on them as long as my tow tune can restrict the fuel well enough it wouldnt hurt it at all. What are my risk if i go 190/75 i tow anywhere from 16 to 32ft cattle trailers full of cows and or horses and also farm machinery pretty often. Also what are my hp differences between getting the 190/75 vs the 190/30 need help and suggestions and experiences?!?!?

I have his 190/30s installed and with ported and polished heads and a ported intake i have no trouble hitting 1600 unloaded i havent tried to haul anything but a$$

snafu!

· #6 · Sep 16, 2013

I think you will be better off with 30 nozzles, there's not going to be that big of a difference in HP from 30 to 75s maybe 15hp tops and thats with a race tune, not a tow tune. 30s will atomize better and give you more torque since you are using your truck to tow mainly. 190s are pretty big for a pmax or stage 1 so keeping egts in check will take a lot of tuning.

06-6.0 stoker

· #7 · Sep 16, 2013

30 nozzles and good tuning

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onebadcoastie

· #8 · Sep 16, 2013

My thoughts on the 75% nozzles was if he's gonna pay for the upgraded nozzles, he may as well get as much out of it as possible for the cost.

strokin6L

· #9 · Sep 16, 2013

I running 190/75's with the hybrid. Truck towed roughly 6k lbs from NY to NC through the hilly terrain of WV and Virginia with only hitting about 1000* egts running ID's tow tune with breaking. I know its not a lot of weight but the stage 1 will flow better than this hybrid. I say go with 75% nozzles.

windrunner408

· #10 · Sep 16, 2013

If you're towing frequently, then I'm not sure why you are looking at 190cc injectors and a dinky turbo like a Stage 1/Powermax. I guess it all depends on the weight you're looking to yank around. I have 190/100s, and I couldn't imagine trying to tow with these injectors and a Stage 1. On Eric's Xtreme X, I could 1800F EGTs before 80 mph empty and I don't see the point in getting 190s and then cramping down the injector's ability to flow just to say you have 190s. I guess, what I would recommend is if you go with 190s, then get at least 50% nozzles as 30% nozzles (like stock) are going to be too small.

blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · #11 · Sep 16, 2013

windrunner408 said:
If you're towing frequently, then I'm not sure why you are looking at 190cc injectors and a dinky turbo like a Stage 1/Powermax. I guess it all depends on the weight you're looking to yank around. I have 190/100s, and I couldn't imagine trying to tow with these injectors and a Stage 1. On Eric's Xtreme X, I could 1800F EGTs before 80 mph empty and I don't see the point in getting 190s and then cramping down the injector's ability to flow just to say you have 190s. I guess, what I would recommend is if you go with 190s, then get at least 50% nozzles as 30% nozzles (like stock) are going to be too small.

I tow maybe once or twice a week the rest of the time I'm back and forth to work and college. I don't see any problem with getting 190's in this case especially when I go to a 30% nozzle if I do and I've considered 50% but I know those are hard to get your hands on.

william_ace

· #12 · Sep 16, 2013

I've been curious about 190s for a while so I'm glad the OP started this thread. Is it possible to keep the 190's cool enough to tow? I've always thought no?

blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · #13 · Sep 16, 2013

william_ace said:
I've been curious about 190s for a while so I'm glad the OP started this thread. Is it possible to keep the 190's cool enough to tow? I've always thought no?

I have several friends with them that tow there weight isn't that high maybe a two horse trailer plus the horses and they don't have any trouble that's about 6klbs right there easy (if your like me I tow about three or four times that). From my understanding it's all about your tune and turbo.

william_ace

· #14 · Sep 16, 2013

^^ I've got TSD here pretty close for some Live tunes and my turbo is big enough to handle 190's so I guess I should be good.

shu873

· #15 · Sep 16, 2013

Guys it sounds to me like the OP is towing well in excess of 10,000 lbs several times a week. I personally don't know why he would be considering 190's with any nozzle for a truck that does this. I know he wants a truck that plays too, but I think that's demanding a lot. It's doable, but not as easy as slapping on a powermax and having a tune emailed to you.

OP, if you HAVE to have 190's go with the smaller nozzle. If it was me I'd stay down around 155's, maybe stretch it to 175's with a small nozzle. IMHO no need for more than that with a small single VGT towing as much as you do. I would also recommend live tuning.

blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · #16 · Sep 16, 2013

shu873 said:
Guys it sounds to me like the OP is towing well in excess of 10,000 lbs several times a week. I personally don't know why he would be considering 190's with any nozzle for a truck that does this. I know he wants a truck that plays too, but I think that's demanding a lot. It's doable, but not as easy as slapping on a powermax and having a tune emailed to you.

OP, if you HAVE to have 190's go with the smaller nozzle. If it was me I'd stay down around 155's, maybe stretch it to 175's with a small nozzle. IMHO no need for more than that with a small single VGT towing as much as you do. I would also recommend live tuning.

Would I be safe to run the 190s with a stage 2 turbo, fuel return and fuel system, arp studs, and a new inter cooler and still tow? I thought with all this I would be fine but y'all are throwing some pretty good advise at me and I need to know I'm considering bumping down to a 175 now with a 50 or 30 nozzle

Fox Hunt

· #17 · Sep 16, 2013

Isn't it the nozzle size that really dictates the driveability of the injector? If so why not go 190/30. A 175/30 and 190/30 can be made to run the same with a tow tune and when he's not towing he has more than the 175/30. I agree you would probably want a larger turbo though. I'm really interested in this thread cause I've always thought the 190/30 would be a good injector size for the fact that is has a smaller nozzle for towing but still large enough to have a lot of fun with. I'm interested in what the op decides to go with.

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06-6.0 stoker

· #18 · Sep 16, 2013

Tuning is the biggest tool when trying to make large injectors and nozzles drive able. Any injector/nozzle combo can be made drive able with tuning.

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blacknasty6.0

Discussion Starter · #19 · Sep 16, 2013

Fox Hunt said:
Isn't it the nozzle size that really dictates the driveability of the injector? If so why not go 190/30. A 175/30 and 190/30 can be made to run the same with a tow tune and when he's not towing he has more than the 175/30. I agree you would probably want a larger turbo though. I'm really interested in this thread cause I've always thought the 190/30 would be a good injector size for the fact that is has a smaller nozzle for towing but still large enough to have a lot of fun with. I'm interested in what the op decides to go with.

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Yea I've always wondered also and now that I'm buying its time to find out I'm hoping the 190/30 or 190/50 will work with proper tuning and other mods.

peixinho

· #20 · Sep 16, 2013

Most people who are big into towing don't go with 190s. That is just too much fuel and it will be smokey, or you will have to pull a ton of fuel to even make it possible to tow something that heavy. 190s will haul butt!!! But not a lot of weight, unless you can clean them up with a larger turbo charger and more air flow. Although to a certain extent once you get so big on the turbocharger you will have more lag and it will be easier to get under the turbo and it will make towing and egts even worse.

Also what do you have done to the truck so far?
Head studs?
Bulletproff?
Any updates?
Oil cooler?
EGR?
Tranny?

Maybe I can ask this question. Why 190s? Is it for racing and/or dyno... or are you under the impression that it will tow more?

I don't have a tow queen but I heavy followed many people on this forum and bigger is not always better unless you have LOTS OF MONEY!!!

155/30 and a stage 1 turbo has proven to be a great tow combo. You can actually floor it up hill on a good tune. With 190s you will have to be constantly watching your egts, pulling fuel from the tune, and with a big turbo that can actually clean up your 190s you will lug the motor and fall under the turbo and also have much more turbo lag. No reason to get a giant injector that will just have a ton of fuel pulled on it... Unless you are looking for a major dual purpose truck??? Or if you have a ton of money!

IMO 190/30s, compound turbos, head studded and complete bullet proof, ported intake, ported heads, aftermarket air intake, complete fuel system, regulated return, water/meth injection, a fresh hpop (needs to be in good condition), a built tranny etc.. etc.. This would be one mean towing machine

Or you could just do 155/30 and a stage 1 and have almost the same towing ability

rofl:like 60mph uphill instead of 90 mph uphill :rofl

windrunner408 said:
If you're towing frequently, then I'm not sure why you are looking at 190cc injectors and a dinky turbo like a Stage 1/Powermax. I guess it all depends on the weight you're looking to yank around. I have 190/100s, and I couldn't imagine trying to tow with these injectors and a Stage 1. On Eric's Xtreme X, I could 1800F EGTs before 80 mph empty and I don't see the point in getting 190s and then cramping down the injector's ability to flow just to say you have 190s. I guess, what I would recommend is if you go with 190s, then get at least 50% nozzles as 30% nozzles (like stock) are going to be too small.

exactly :thumb:

shu873 said:
Guys it sounds to me like the OP is towing well in excess of 10,000 lbs several times a week. I personally don't know why he would be considering 190's with any nozzle for a truck that does this. I know he wants a truck that plays too, but I think that's demanding a lot. It's doable, but not as easy as slapping on a powermax and having a tune emailed to you.

OP, if you HAVE to have 190's go with the smaller nozzle. If it was me I'd stay down around 155's, maybe stretch it to 175's with a small nozzle. IMHO no need for more than that with a small single VGT towing as much as you do. I would also recommend live tuning.

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