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well im new to the veggie oil thing, my only concern is how does it make your truck run???
It runs exactly the same as with diesel...a little quieter because of the better lubrication to the injectors i think.
 

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I went and bought 7 clear/white 55 gallon barrals for $10.00 3qch. I dropped them off at 3 Chinese rest. in my area. I spoke to them about pick up. There only question was that is was free for me to pick up the oil. I drive by the areas often to monitor the oil. I am able to get about 25 gallons a week on average. Two of the locations keep the barrells outside. I do not pump all the oil out of the drum. I will leave about 15 to 20 gallons in it so it would be hard to steal. I figured that every inch is 2 gallons and the oils weight is about 8lbs per gallon. I store the oil in seperate drums behind the shed. I don't mix the oil I pick with other locations. I was informed that I should not mix. I am going to try to mix them next week and see what will happen if anything will happen.

I am not making bio. I am makinbg something different. I also have not heard of anyone else making it this way either. I saw an add on Google for DieselSecret.com - make fuel for .64 cents.

A week ago I was towing my enclosed trailer back from atco Raceway in NJ and lost power. I pulled over and replaced the filter on the frame rail. The truck started and only ran for about 1,000 feet and then just stalled without restarting. I had the truck towed and the trailer towed home by a friend. I checked the fuel pressure and it was all over. So, I have a bad pump. How common is it for a pump on this type of truck to go bad? I think it is not common. No one had it in stock. I then noticed the white puff of smoke for the exhaust. Now I am thinking OH GREAT MORE PROBLEMS. My wife is asking me if I created the problem by try to save money - more like nagging. As I read on this site, An EGR will cause the white smoke. I removed the EGR and cleaned it. It did not look to bad. Normal carbon build up and the valve was moving freely. I reinstalled it and drove the truck. It was fine for about an hour and then everything started again - the fuel pressue dropped and the truck would stall.

If anyone has heard of the method I am using or has any comments - PLEASE feel free to post them. I am in the early stages of working with alterative fuel and use all the feedback as possible. My future plans is to make true bio and run that in my truck as a 100% mix.

Thanks for reading.

PS - with the mixture I am making I had no mileage change but I did notice a small drop in power.
 

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I do not pump all the oil out of the drum. I will leave about 15 to 20 gallons in it so it would be hard to steal. I figured that every inch is 2 gallons and the oils weight is about 8lbs per gallon.

I am not making bio. I am making something different..... DieselSecret- make fuel for .64 cents.
I can lift a drum with 15 to 20 gallons in it from the ground to the bed of my truck. I've done it a bunch of times in the last 3 years!!:nod:

As far as DieselSecret the secret is out IT IS TO DRY TO WORK AS A DIESEL FUEL!!
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I can lift a drum with 15 to 20 gallons in it from the ground to the bed of my truck. I've done it a bunch of times in the last 3 years!!:nod:

As far as DieselSecret the secret is out IT IS TO DRY TO WORK AS A DIESEL FUEL!!
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What do you mean DRY? If a diesel can run on straight vegi oil why not with some kerosen and gas? I am not trying to make this into a debate, but from using it for a few weeks w/o any problems other then a fuel pump. The fuel pump was my fault 100%. I made 2 batches too thick. I also have an EGR problem too. Truck is at the dealer now. I will wait for the call tom. I dropped it off today.

I know some if not most people can lift a drum with 15 to 20 gallons of oil. I also do it all day (Heating & A/C). I load 3 ton A/C units into a van all day by myself.

As I said in the other post, I am open for all thoughts. Thanks, Maybe more will jump in with there ideas. :)

I am reading and thinking of a desighn for a bio set up in my shed now. I am glad that I did try this method. If I did not try it, I would have been thinking how it would have worked.
There are so many ways of make a reactor or something similar.
 

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Well I feel like I just hit the lotto! I talked to the cafeteria manager at the University where I work and I now have a source for between 120-200 gals of WVO per week all from a single source. I am figuring on using a gas powered trash pump to pick up the oil. I need to find a source for some recycled 275 gal IBC totes for storage and I'll probably get a 300 gal tank for the truck for transport. Anybody have any other ideas on how to handle this kind of quantity?
 

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I went and bought 7 clear/white 55 gallon barrals for $10.00 3qch. I dropped them off at 3 Chinese rest. in my area. I spoke to them about pick up. There only question was that is was free for me to pick up the oil. I drive by the areas often to monitor the oil. I am able to get about 25 gallons a week on average. Two of the locations keep the barrells outside. I do not pump all the oil out of the drum. I will leave about 15 to 20 gallons in it so it would be hard to steal. I figured that every inch is 2 gallons and the oils weight is about 8lbs per gallon. I store the oil in seperate drums behind the shed. I don't mix the oil I pick with other locations. I was informed that I should not mix. I am going to try to mix them next week and see what will happen if anything will happen.

I am not making bio. I am makinbg something different. I also have not heard of anyone else making it this way either. I saw an add on Google for DieselSecret.com - make fuel for .64 cents.

A week ago I was towing my enclosed trailer back from atco Raceway in NJ and lost power. I pulled over and replaced the filter on the frame rail. The truck started and only ran for about 1,000 feet and then just stalled without restarting. I had the truck towed and the trailer towed home by a friend. I checked the fuel pressure and it was all over. So, I have a bad pump. How common is it for a pump on this type of truck to go bad? I think it is not common. No one had it in stock. I then noticed the white puff of smoke for the exhaust. Now I am thinking OH GREAT MORE PROBLEMS. My wife is asking me if I created the problem by try to save money - more like nagging. As I read on this site, An EGR will cause the white smoke. I removed the EGR and cleaned it. It did not look to bad. Normal carbon build up and the valve was moving freely. I reinstalled it and drove the truck. It was fine for about an hour and then everything started again - the fuel pressue dropped and the truck would stall.

If anyone has heard of the method I am using or has any comments - PLEASE feel free to post them. I am in the early stages of working with alterative fuel and use all the feedback as possible. My future plans is to make true bio and run that in my truck as a 100% mix.

Thanks for reading.

PS - with the mixture I am making I had no mileage change but I did notice a small drop in power.
The secret they leave out is that the factory fuel pump can't handle the higher viscosity. Your pump is probably burned up, and your new one will probably go just as fast. For that matter, I doubt you would see a consistent fuel pressure reading if you checked your new pump after you get it in, which would explain your loss of power. This will eventually kill the injectors, and possibly coke the cylinders enough to make your rings stick. I have heard of a couple people that swear by DSE Blends, but I would like to hear their opinion on it after about 50k miles. I would also like to see DSE do a tear down after 50k and see what the combustion chamber looks like. Maybe a compression test as well.
 

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Well I feel like I just hit the lotto! I talked to the cafeteria manager at the University where I work and I now have a source for between 120-200 gals of WVO per week all from a single source. I am figuring on using a gas powered trash pump to pick up the oil. I need to find a source for some recycled 275 gal IBC totes for storage and I'll probably get a 300 gal tank for the truck for transport. Anybody have any other ideas on how to handle this kind of quantity?
There is NO easy way to handle that much oil. I would suggest letting me tak half and you take the other half. :D

Honestly, what are you going to do with that much...put a barrel our there and take 50 gallons a week home, if you need more, put 2 barrels out there. Your talkin 500 - 800 gallons per month. I drive alot and i use maybe 100 gallons per month. No way in hell woould i want to try to handle that much You will spend ALOT of time trying to collect it and filter it only to be worried about it going bad while its stored.
I know its seems like the jackpot but only if you can use it, if you can't its still just garbage...
 

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Well I feel like I just hit the lotto! I talked to the cafeteria manager at the University where I work and I now have a source for between 120-200 gals of WVO per week all from a single source. I am figuring on using a gas powered trash pump to pick up the oil. I need to find a source for some recycled 275 gal IBC totes for storage and I'll probably get a 300 gal tank for the truck for transport. Anybody have any other ideas on how to handle this kind of quantity?
Find a couple of buddies with diesels that could use your extra. Advertise on craigslist in your area someone will take it off your hands.
 

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You could always do like the _____ that I talked to yesterday. His ad said "collecting more than I can handle, please contact". I called him to see if I could help get some off of his hands so that I can have some trip fuel for the summer. He offered that I come by and pick it up unfiltered for $2 a gallon. I laughed and explained that people like him would be the reason when we start paying taxes on WASTE oil.
 

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The secret they leave out is that the factory fuel pump can't handle the higher viscosity. Your pump is probably burned up, and your new one will probably go just as fast. For that matter, I doubt you would see a consistent fuel pressure reading if you checked your new pump after you get it in, which would explain your loss of power. This will eventually kill the injectors, and possibly coke the cylinders enough to make your rings stick. I have heard of a couple people that swear by DSE Blends, but I would like to hear their opinion on it after about 50k miles. I would also like to see DSE do a tear down after 50k and see what the combustion chamber looks like. Maybe a compression test as well.
I agree with Justin - that rarely happens so make note of it - install you a pressure guage post filter and prefilter...the loss of preasure you will see will explain why your pumps keep dieing...it can't push that goo without laboring hard.
Introducing WVO to your stock fuel system (blended or not) is just asking for alot of different problems. Too many other people have already proven this.
 

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There is NO easy way to handle that much oil. I would suggest letting me tak half and you take the other half. :D

Honestly, what are you going to do with that much...put a barrel our there and take 50 gallons a week home, if you need more, put 2 barrels out there. Your talkin 500 - 800 gallons per month. I drive alot and i use maybe 100 gallons per month. No way in hell woould i want to try to handle that much You will spend ALOT of time trying to collect it and filter it only to be worried about it going bad while its stored.
I know its seems like the jackpot but only if you can use it, if you can't its still just garbage...
I don't drive my truck half as much as I could and still go through over 200 gals a month. If I can work this out I will sell the rest of the family vehicle and replace them with diesels too, and yeah, I have some buddies that would be able to use some as well. My problem is not how to get rid of it but how to collect and process that much.
 

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I don't drive my truck half as much as I could and still go through over 200 gals a month. If I can work this out I will sell the rest of the family vehicle and replace them with diesels too, and yeah, I have some buddies that would be able to use some as well. My problem is not how to get rid of it but how to collect and process that much.
A used Firetruck comes to mind...already equipt with a huge tank, pump and hose system.
And they are diesel engine powered too :D
I have seen them for sale for under $2k in good running condition.
Processing is another issue but if you build a large enough heating/settling container like my "chernoble" device, you could do 200 gallons a week.
 

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A used Firetruck comes to mind...already equipt with a huge tank, pump and hose system.
And they are diesel engine powered too :D
I have seen them for sale for under $2k in good running condition.
Now I never even gave that a thought. That might be really cool.
 

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MIGHT be cool?
Who the hell wouldn't like to own a real working fire engine! You would look kool going to collect your vegi oil!

Actually, Chris Goodwin of Frybrid recently bought one and is going to use it for vegi collection. so it wasn't my idea. He paid 1500 bucks and drove it home with the lights flashin... :nod:
 

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One thing about getting it right fromthe tank, all the trash is settled at the bottomin the morning. The restraunt I get it form has some one who collects it but the restraunt is family owned so he'll just have to get over it. Around here they only give .05 a gallon so if your detrmined I sure you could under cut them with very little effort if you had your own tank out for collection.
P.S. I run straight oil no bio processe no preheating. I mix 1 gallon of diesel to 4 gallons of oil and have a home made flitering system before it ever goes through the fuel pump. I have 2 tanks, I start on straight diesel and after warm up switch to oil, and before shut off I switch back to diesel to clear the injectors. Been doing this for 9 months with no problems, starts right up every time.
 

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i would say get a couple of the 500 to 100o gal tanks. (if you have the space, like a farm or shop) build a centrifuge setup and make it automatic. sell the oil that even your friends dont take.

my problem is removing the PHO from an outdoor drum. ive been told at 20*F that even a trash pump wont work. the only thing i can think of is lofting the barrel up in my truck, or using a trailer. but that 400 lbs, even half full thats not very feasible.

i thought of putting some concrete in the bottom of the drum to make the drum hard to remove, and then rock salt on the top to help contain setteled water. if anyone has any feasible ideas on remving pho at that temp please let me know!!
 
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