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Good evening. Newbie to the Powerstroke and Ford towing here and I have a question regarding tow capacity. I have a 2015 F-250 XLT Lariat Crew Cab 4x4 156" WB that has the 10K GVWR Package/ 3.31 Electronic Locking and FX4 package. I went to the following site, and it is showing that the max towing capacity for my truck is 15900. (ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/2015_SuperDuty.pdf)

Now here is the core of my question. I am looking at a 2016 Primetime Spartan 1240X Toy Hauler that is 43', 3 Axle, UVW is 14951, Pin Weight is 2783 (have 20K hitch, so I am good there/considering the 15-25% calculation), add 873 for water, another 845 for my bike, and 150 for food, gear, and 50 just for the wife's shoes, I come up with a total of roughly 16750. Am I trying to go too heavy for my truck, given I am 1K over from the page above?

My thought is that with the 10K GVW package, I am at 10K plus the 15900 listed by ford, giving me a total GVW of 25900? Am I way off base...


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You would be better off with a dually towing that much weight. It can be done but be careful, make sure the tires are rated for that much weight. You might also need airbags in the rear and you should do a dpf and egr delete with a good tow tune.
 

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Also get gauges or a monitor so you can keep an eye on egts.
 

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Thanks for the response. Based on what i have found, I should be able to haul 23500 GCVW. I just need to figure out how much my truck actually weighs. I see people pulling 40+ foot toy haulers all the time with the same truck. Just want to make sure. Plan to do a tune, DPF and EGR delete after warranty expires; which will not be long considering i put 20K on it in less than 12 months. Thanks for the advice


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3:31 gearing and 10k gvwr are going to kill you. I have a similar size toy hauler and towed for a year with my previous 2011 f250, also 10k gvwr but had 3:55 gears. after the first season I upgraded, I would suggest a smaller hauler or bigger truck.
 

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I dont see how a 4dr 4wd f250 wouldn't exceed the payload with a 2700lb pin weight. Am I missing something here, becauee no one has seemed to touch on this. This is the reason I went with an f350 and even my payload is only 3400 on an xlt with 0 options. When I add thw weight of my family a cooler, a 5 wheel receiver etc I think I'd be able to handle a 2700-2900lb pin weight.
 

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The thing you got to look out for is smokey bear.
Sounds like the 250 is "under rated" for what you need, while its practicly the same suspension as a 350 the paperwork for your truck shows its not heavy enough. Basically you didn't pay enough tax to tow the extra weight... If you get pulled over and the copper looks closely or weighs you will be "red tagged" and they will not let you go any farther since you are technically overweight.

Another thing is the axle's on the trailer. Here in Commiefornia if your trailer has 3 axle's you need a dually not sure about your state.
 

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There is no doubt the truck will tow your trailer but, that is a huge trailer and I feel you are underestimating the weight once it’s loaded. All the hoses and attachments for sewer, wire adapters for power, some tools, dishes, household.

Most trailers never ever weigh what the claim, and unless you clean your trailer out ever single time you will be over.

Again I believe your truck will tow it, but the driving experience will be less then pleasant. Get a smaller trailer. Good rule of thumb is subtract your max by 1500 and start there to see sizes.
 

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Now here is the core of my question. I am looking at a 2016 Primetime Spartan 1240X Toy Hauler that is 43', 3 Axle, UVW is 14951, Pin Weight is 2783 (have 20K hitch, so I am good there/considering the 15-25% calculation), add 873 for water, another 845 for my bike, and 150 for food, gear, and 50 just for the wife's shoes, I come up with a total of roughly 16750. Am I trying to go too heavy for my truck, given I am 1K over from the page above?

My thought is that with the 10K GVW package, I am at 10K plus the 15900 listed by ford, giving me a total GVW of 25900? Am I way off base...
The short answer is that you need to look at a smaller RV. I'm in the same place. That pin weight is what does most of us 250 owners in. Go weigh your truck. It'll probably be around 8000 pounds with a full tank of fuel and DEF which leaves you 2000 of cargo (which includes pin weight, wife, dog, etc.) in order to "legally" put in your rig. Will it do it? Sure. I've had 3000 pounds of top soil in my bed and was not close to the bump stops. I see a lot of trailers on all sorts of vehicles that are too big. But should you?
UVW is almost meaningless. IMO you should really shop by GTW because every dish, towel, cup and tool add up quickly. Not sure what kind of racing you do but I have about 1,700 pounds of "garage" that I take with me. That is the bike, tools, spare wheels, tires, gear, stands, tables chairs.... Man does it add up quick!
I have accepted the fact that we will be going with a bumper tow 34-ish footer. A bumper pull will only be 12-13% on the truck where a 5er will be 22-23%. That is about 1,500 pounds difference.
 

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If you have any kind of accident and you are over weight in any category your insurance will not cover you
 

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If you have any kind of accident and you are over weight in any category your insurance will not cover you
Eh, I dont know about that. My policy does not say anything about it at all. The only exclusions are things like evading police pursuit, racing, taxi services, blah blah. I can be skunk drunk and wreck it. I can be doing lines off a hooker zzz and wreck it. As long as I'm within the letter of the policy, they pay out.
A civil suit could be an issue though. If someone you hit found out you were over. Then again, even loaded correctly you can get sued.
 

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I stand corrected, proceed good sir
 

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Good evening. Newbie to the Powerstroke and Ford towing here and I have a question regarding tow capacity. I have a 2015 F-250 XLT Lariat Crew Cab 4x4 156" WB that has the 10K GVWR Package/ 3.31 Electronic Locking and FX4 package. I went to the following site, and it is showing that the max towing capacity for my truck is 15900. (ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/2015_SuperDuty.pdf)

Now here is the core of my question. I am looking at a 2016 Primetime Spartan 1240X Toy Hauler that is 43', 3 Axle, UVW is 14951, Pin Weight is 2783 (have 20K hitch, so I am good there/considering the 15-25% calculation), add 873 for water, another 845 for my bike, and 150 for food, gear, and 50 just for the wife's shoes, I come up with a total of roughly 16750. Am I trying to go too heavy for my truck, given I am 1K over from the page above?

My thought is that with the 10K GVW package, I am at 10K plus the 15900 listed by ford, giving me a total GVW of 25900? Am I way off base...


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Depending on what state you are in 15,000 will make you illegal once you get pulled over. Most states like California limit GCVWR (GROSS COMBINED VEHICLE WEIGHT RATING) For non Commercial towing at 25,000#. You may need a 5th wheel endorsement to tow over 10,000#

You are going to be over the recommended load of the rear axle if I’m not mistaken. Unless they did major changes to the rear axle, I verified with FORD last year when I picked up my 16 CC FX4 that you can put a max of 3,000# over the rear axle. That was through Fords Hotline service!

With that being said wrong trailer for the wrong truck. You would be sued if you got someone hurt or property damaged in the event of an accident. And your insurance wouldn’t cover it because you are out of your limit as far as towing goes. Unless you had it weighed PER AXLE and had the pics/certs to prove it, you’d loose and loose big!
 
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