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Id like to see more pics of both kits!

Edit: Looked on both sites looks like you get more for your money with CFD besides I think the welds look like they could be better...
Thanks for the review, hopefully more folks will chime in here
Please clarify which product you think the welds look better on.
 

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What does EFR provide versus the turbo chargers SPE is offering?

I noticed a while back SPE published a picture of a pallet of EFR turbos? Those not an option?
We use the efr because the turbo lag is reduced and it has all the latest technology.
That being said using the smaller efr like SPE pictured on the pallets we have found the response too be too fast and the rapid bottom end loading harmful to long term durability.
We would only use those in our parallel twin setup.
Technology such as built in wastegate, ceramic ball bearing, low inertia turbine, built in speed sensor, wastegate, and compressor recirculation valve make the efr turbo an excellent upgrade.
There have been some questions about the ceramic material in the turbine and its ability to withstand egt over 1700 degrees, this is not a problem with stock fueling, but with a dual fuel kit please call us first.
SPE states there kit is a base for a compound and we have to disagree, without a wastegate the s363 exhaust is too tight for a compound. II and CFD use the EFR so that it will light fast and then wastegate the exhaust into the larger charger for maximum flow.
For a stock replacement the out of the box turbo's are just fine and more than enough air for stock fueling or even a modified cp4 pump.
 

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On your site you have the option to upgrade to EFR for $1600 then have another link to an EFR thats priced at $2100. Are these the same turbos?

Also, the EFR turbo priced at $2100 says capable of supporting 800 rwhp. Is this only with the addition of a dual fueler?

I think SPE makes some good products but I'm intrigued with a couple things that make you think.
- I dislike all the plastic still left on the SPE kit.
- What you said about the oil line being insufficient appears to be a good point but do you have any proof?
- The option to upgrade to EFR really is a plus
 

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On your site you have the option to upgrade to EFR for $1600 then have another link to an EFR thats priced at $2100. Are these the same turbos?

Also, the EFR turbo priced at $2100 says capable of supporting 800 rwhp. Is this only with the addition of a dual fueler?

I think SPE makes some good products but I'm intrigued with a couple things that make you think.
- I dislike all the plastic still left on the SPE kit.
- What you said about the oil line being insufficient appears to be a good point but do you have any proof?
- The option to upgrade to EFR really is a plus
Correct we are deducting the standard turbo adding a few items needed for the efr and then the price of the efr. If you look at the price of the piping kit and add the 2100 to that you should see how we price it.

As far as the oil line goes. We do a ton of Duramax down here, the duramax have a factory water cooled turbo. The oil is fed from the cam bearing.
It is common knowledge in the duramax community that oil feed is insufficient for an oil cooled turbo. The merchant auto oil line kit or ats kit all tap the oil galley of the engine. We just used this experience and didn't take a chance on the fords. Airwerks told us .250 minimum inner diameter feed is sufficient. There is an integrated restrict-or to control feed.
With an EFR turbo they are water cooled so the factory oil feed would be just fine.
 

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Is it just me or did I take the initial post in this thread wrong? If I were SPE I'd be a little ticked after reading this. Especially after hearing info from them over the phone...
 

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I think this thread is great I've learned a bunch about these things and it makes me feel more comfortable in my decision making. I'm glad that they put this info on here, keep up the questions this is good reading.
 

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Side by side comparison is very typical. This is a new truck and CFD has had a kit for 6 months, and SPE just came out.
We want accurate information here and we want consumers to have a spot they can go and make a good decision based on facts.
Other sites just don't want these facts known or published so SPE chooses to stay in a place where there is no competition or freedom of information.
IF THERE IS ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE KITS THAT IS INCORRECT PLEASE POST IMMEDIATELY SO WE HAVE FACTUAL QUALITY REVIEWS.
 

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Id like to see more pics of both kits!

Edit: Looked on both sites looks like you get more for your money with CFD besides I think the welds look like they could be better...
CFD, you wanna compare... :badidea:

Let's start off comparing welding ability-


SPE's welds-



SPE's Miller Syncrowave 250 tig welder-




Now let's compare fabrication abilities...

SPE's MACHINED pedestal-




I think the photos speak for themselves.

They say a photos worth a thousand words...
 

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Is it just me or did I take the initial post in this thread wrong? If I were SPE I'd be a little ticked after reading this. Especially after hearing info from them over the phone...
SPE has a bad habit of misleading customers by telling them we called them on how to build this kit.
The truth is after we had built the kit we called for a customer to attempt to purchase a built engine for a truck he wanted to put a kit on.

This post was not meant to upset anyone, only show tha additional quality and value you will get at 300 dollars less than the SPE kit price.
If customers still want to buy an SPE kit for the brand name recognition that is perfectly normal.
 

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Alan we did not have any failed kits to date.
This is once again another one of SPE propaganda.
The tig weld on the stainless up pipe looks great, why did you paint over the snail trails on doyles spe build and the black up pipes in your kit.
This is what our welds look like
 

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Haha, Im a welder, thats funny! All fun and games aside, im happy aftermarket turbos are coming out, but CFD, if I buy from you, I'm welding it myself.


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Haha, Im a welder, thats funny! All fun and games aside, im happy aftermarket turbos are coming out, but CFD, if I buy from you, I'm welding it myself.


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Those are off a kit we made in a pinch.
For anyone who does not know the history, we had a 6.7 truck brought in with a blown turbo.
The customer gave us 3 weeks to complete our first kit.
It was also over Christmas so all of our experienced welders were on holiday.
The owner was sent pictures of the welds and piping he told us ok great is it done yet.
That weld was actually Evan's first time tig welding and he did pretty good considering it did not leak and he built this in 2 weeks time basically by himself.
Please look at all current kits and photo's we will post some of our experienced welders work.
 

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Alan,
I am looking forward to a very civil discussion of these kits here.
Lets just take our time and work through the whole process, and provide truthful, accurate information.
I think the turbo size we chose and the turbo we chose is great.
Its also the logical choice so I don't blame you for picking the same turbo.
You have concerns with CFD quality I would like to address.
I have concerns with SPE oil feed and downpipe support I would like to address.
I am not a big fan of keeping all the stock intake, but with the EPA the way they are it does hide things nicely.
Lets continue down this road and be patient so we can address all the questions users have.
I started this thread and I am a vendor here so .org should have no problem with you replying to questions
 

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CFD, while I was nitpicking SPE's weld quality, you guys have a LONG way to go to even come close to getting the quality of the welds that they are putting out. Even though your kit does appear to be a well designed kit I think it would be wise to hire a certified welder that can produce the complex welds that will be in these kits. Let your guys practice and get good at it, because hood time is the only way to get better at it. But until then pay someone who knows what the hell they are doing. Those welds look terrible.
 

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CFD, while I was nitpicking SPE's weld quality, you guys have a LONG way to go to even come close to getting the quality of the welds that they are putting out. Even though your kit does appear to be a well designed kit I think it would be wise to hire a certified welder that can produce the complex welds that will be in these kits. Let your guys practice and get good at it, because hood time is the only way to get better at it. But until then pay someone who knows what the hell they are doing. Those welds look terrible.
That's because it was the tech's first time tig welding. As in that was a picture of the first and only 6.7 kit Evan did all the welding on.
They did look bad, but they did not break or leak.
That kit is no longer in service, we have replaced it free of charge and have a very beautiful replacement installed.
We do have certified welders on staff.
I will have Evan post some pics of the welds on the kits as they are being built. He is in the shop now.
 

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SPE has a bad habit of misleading customers by telling them we called them on how to build this kit.
The truth is after we had built the kit we called for a customer to attempt to purchase a built engine for a truck he wanted to put a kit on.

This post was not meant to upset anyone, only show tha additional quality and value you will get at 300 dollars less than the SPE kit price.
If customers still want to buy an SPE kit for the brand name recognition that is perfectly normal.

This thread is where CFD started pretending to be a customer looking for information- 6.7 full billet single upgrade - PowerStrokeNation : Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum. Notice how their screen name was ban from that sight as well as Powerstrokearmy where they continue to create user names & chime in. To date, they've been ban around a dozen times if not more.

CFD, if you hate PSA, why are you always lurking & coming back?
 
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