I'm glad you cleared that up cause I was looking at it and I thought it was even but wasnt sure so I figured Id question it haha I guess you guys arent as bad as I thought :thumb:It does have that illusion in the pictures you are not the first ask.
we start with a piece like in the picture below. The intake is not made as the passenger side first and then the driver side stubbed in as it looks.
The engine is pulling air equally and the intake is pressurized evenly.
But we would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.
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SPE vs Confederate Diesel side by side review
CFD price 3199
SPE price 3000
CFD turbo options s363, s366 or efr which can all be purchased from any diesel supply house and we can provide replacement part number
SPE turbo options s363, s366 with SPE cut housings, these turbo's will have to be replaced by SPE if required
CFD exhaust includes headers and uppipes with 40% increased flow
SPE Uses new uppipes with the same restrictive factory manifolds
CFD kit has a new aluminum intake that replaces the factory intake
But the factory intake can still be used if the customer really wants too.
SPE just reuses the PLASTIC factory intake.
CFD has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
SPE has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
CFD kit has a custom 1/4 oil feed straight from the factory oil galley
SPE uses stock oil port off cam bearing which has been proven to be insufficient for an oil cooled turbo.
CFD has a lifetime piping warranty, 12 month turbo warranty, and 30 day money back guarantee.
SPE has a 90 day limited warranty.
CFD kit is in stock
SPE kit is 3 weeks away
Both kits can be installed with the factory emission system in place.
This comparison shows the added value you will get when buying a Confederate Diesel Turbo Upgrade.
SPE price 3000
CFD turbo options s363, s366 or efr which can all be purchased from any diesel supply house and we can provide replacement part number
SPE turbo options s363, s366 with SPE cut housings, these turbo's will have to be replaced by SPE if required
CFD exhaust includes headers and uppipes with 40% increased flow
SPE Uses new uppipes with the same restrictive factory manifolds
CFD kit has a new aluminum intake that replaces the factory intake
But the factory intake can still be used if the customer really wants too.
SPE just reuses the PLASTIC factory intake.
CFD has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
SPE has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
CFD kit has a custom 1/4 oil feed straight from the factory oil galley
SPE uses stock oil port off cam bearing which has been proven to be insufficient for an oil cooled turbo.
CFD has a lifetime piping warranty, 12 month turbo warranty, and 30 day money back guarantee.
SPE has a 90 day limited warranty.
CFD kit is in stock
SPE kit is 3 weeks away
Both kits can be installed with the factory emission system in place.
This comparison shows the added value you will get when buying a Confederate Diesel Turbo Upgrade.
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Evan started by using a piece like the one at the bottom.
but when he went to weld the tig torch didn't get in between the outlets they were too close together. plus it was his first time. He burned through and then had to plate and fill. All while under a customer's is it done yet.
He just filled and ground until it was clean inside and leak free.
This may make more sense now?
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but when he went to weld the tig torch didn't get in between the outlets they were too close together. plus it was his first time. He burned through and then had to plate and fill. All while under a customer's is it done yet.
He just filled and ground until it was clean inside and leak free.
This may make more sense now?
Cfd- minor detail, but you may consider editing the last line in the first post of this thread.
Done good find thanksCfd- minor detail, but you may consider editing the last line in the first post of this thread.
Would you foresee a EFR turbo vs the 66 helping with that lag? From how I understand it, EFRs spool a lot quicker, correct?You can but it'd be very laggy. We can custom build it with a tighter housing but the price will go up.
I am not sure why these EFR turbos keep pulling me towards them. And I noticed on PSA that you guys plan on offering an EFR sometime down the road.
Just tossing darts blindly, but the EFR Confederate offers, would it fit on SPE's pedastal?
20 something pages later, I feel like I'm no closer to a decision. Coming into it, like everyone else, I knew Confederate's first turbo, like I said earlier was subpar(so everyone rehashing the same **** isnt helping), but through out this entire thread they've been helpful. Their turbo kit appears to look pretty good (atleast to an untrained eye in welding) although some would say not and the few who own it have given good reviews. I like SPE's idea of a modular system and having the ability to to upgrade, however it just seems like the options are fairly limited at this point in time. I know patience is virtue and SPE carefully R&D's their products before release them but I think both are something I'm seriously considering.
So my hope is this conversation continues down an educational road versus a vindictive one.
If you want an EFR and have the money, then why not just get confederates? In all honesty these kits are going to be basically the same. If you look at the RCD pictures it looks like the same basic idea as confederates with the headers and similar piping. I just dont see the point in waiting for SPE to come out with a similar product that will have the same outcome. (Like we have seen with their kit they are releasing now)
This could be my ignorance. But from what I understand, the kit confederate offers is a single turbo kit and exactly that. Since I'm undecided on whether I'd like to go compound or stick with a single, SPE's modular design interested me. If I do decide I wanted to go compounds, I'd like to be able to re-use as much as I already have.
As of right now efr turbo's are only available in t3.
This means a t3 oil drain. This is where everyone except MPD, and H and s are mounting the turbo.
So SPE would have to make a custom t3 mount for an efr. I would not expect that to be a problem for them.
Htt is also building custom turbine housing's for an efr.
Jdub who put a 9180 on a duramax lb7 with stock fuel is quite pleased with it.
There is a fellow on psa that put a 9180 on a 6.0. He said it has less lag than his 66.
In our opinion just a 63mm, 66mm s300 is a bad choice for twins without a wastegate. We Like the efr for twins because it has the build in wastegate.
If we need to talk about why the wastegate is important lets do that.
If you want to hang a 83mm billet comp, 96/88tw 1.32 a/r off the front of a 9180 that would just be downright nasty. We could make the piping kit up no problem. SO yes our kit can be used with twins.
The ic upgrade would cost around 700 dollars.
The turbo I mentioned is 2300 dollars
and the mounts and piping would cost around 1700 tops.
That package with a dual fueler and efr base kit is going to run 9400.
You will still need to build the trans and engine.
You will need an ic upgrade to go with it.
And a dual fueler using a cp3 from lbz if you want to hit 1000rwhp. Twin cp4 in our opinion will not flow the volumn. Cp4 also create fuel spike when not timed to the engine this could potential damage injectors or the engine.
This means a t3 oil drain. This is where everyone except MPD, and H and s are mounting the turbo.
So SPE would have to make a custom t3 mount for an efr. I would not expect that to be a problem for them.
Htt is also building custom turbine housing's for an efr.
Jdub who put a 9180 on a duramax lb7 with stock fuel is quite pleased with it.
There is a fellow on psa that put a 9180 on a 6.0. He said it has less lag than his 66.
In our opinion just a 63mm, 66mm s300 is a bad choice for twins without a wastegate. We Like the efr for twins because it has the build in wastegate.
If we need to talk about why the wastegate is important lets do that.
If you want to hang a 83mm billet comp, 96/88tw 1.32 a/r off the front of a 9180 that would just be downright nasty. We could make the piping kit up no problem. SO yes our kit can be used with twins.
The ic upgrade would cost around 700 dollars.
The turbo I mentioned is 2300 dollars
and the mounts and piping would cost around 1700 tops.
That package with a dual fueler and efr base kit is going to run 9400.
You will still need to build the trans and engine.
You will need an ic upgrade to go with it.
And a dual fueler using a cp3 from lbz if you want to hit 1000rwhp. Twin cp4 in our opinion will not flow the volumn. Cp4 also create fuel spike when not timed to the engine this could potential damage injectors or the engine.
We are willing to build anything that the customer wants it would just take time and also money and if you want it now then you'd have to trust us on our knowledge on turbo sizing and such. Obviously when it comes to that we know what were doing. Not saying everyone "copied" us but we all are using a similar turbo and ours was out months before.
Ours has been completed quite sometime. We however choose to R&D our kit before we let any pictures surface or sell it to any customers. Nothing will EVER leave SPE without being R&D'd first. :thumb: We have turned down countless customers who wanted to purchase our compound kit, single kits, & dual fuelers because we aren't through with the R&D yet.We are willing to build anything that the customer wants it would just take time and also money and if you want it now then you'd have to trust us on our knowledge on turbo sizing and such. Obviously when it comes to that we know what were doing. Not saying everyone "copied" us but we all are using a similar turbo and ours was out months before.
Ours has been completed quite sometime. We however choose to R&D our kit before we let any pictures surface or sell it to any customers. Nothing will EVER leave SPE without being R&D'd first. :thumb: We have turned down countless customers who wanted to purchase our compound kit, single kits, & dual fuelers because we aren't through with the R&D yet.
Amy,
We understand the that you took some extra time to test stuff.
On the dual fueler I can understand wanting to do some thorough r and d, especially running the cp4 out of time. As you see h and s has one for sale, but you still can't get it until July.
When a customer is broke down, and needs a repair, he is tired of putting the same turbo back on and asked us for help, that is what we did.
We realize there is no possible way SPE would do that.
I think the main difference is we are still mostly a repair shop. So we just fix broken trucks on a day to day basis. The products we develop are a by product of the solutions we find to common problems. Installing a fixed geometry turbo on a truck is something we do all the time, so we really didn't see this as a major challenge.
Correct me if I am wrong but SPE is a aftermarket performance development shop that specializes in 6.7 FORD. You guys are set up for r and d.
We sort of have 2 different business models.
FWIW it is great to have you here and we really want to bury the hatchet and just talk about the benefits of these turbo's and upgrades.
I would like to apologize for any hard feeling my guys have caused you.
Do you think this is possible?
Amy,
We understand the that you took some extra time to test stuff.
On the dual fueler I can understand wanting to do some thorough r and d, especially running the cp4 out of time. As you see h and s has one for sale, but you still can't get it until July.
When a customer is broke down, and needs a repair, he is tired of putting the same turbo back on and asked us for help, that is what we did.
We realize there is no possible way SPE would do that.
I think the main difference is we are still mostly a repair shop. So we just fix broken trucks on a day to day basis. The products we develop are a by product of the solutions we find to common problems. Installing a fixed geometry turbo on a truck is something we do all the time, so we really didn't see this as a major challenge.
Correct me if I am wrong but SPE is a aftermarket performance development shop that specializes in 6.7 FORD. You guys are set up for r and d.
We sort of have 2 different business models.
FWIW it is great to have you here and we really want to bury the hatchet and just talk about the benefits of these turbo's and upgrades.
I would like to apologize for any hard feeling my guys have caused you.
Do you think this is possible?
Did you just apologize over a forum? Lol.
Are you suggesting there is something wrong with that?
Go drink some shine, sit by a fire and make some duck noises.... :hehe::nana::lol:This thread gives me a headache.
I like the way you think!!!Go drink some shine, sit by a fire and make some duck noises.... :hehe::nana::lol:
From a business stand point? You explain to me the professionalism in that. I would love to hear your theory.
Being completely honest. We want our competitors to have an open discussion for the benefit of the customers. We want to eliminate any reason that they are not showing up.From a business stand point? You explain to me the professionalism in that. I would love to hear your theory.
We are very confident, that after all is said in done we can prove to customers that we have the best product and value available. And that our customer satisfaction is #1. We are here with all cards on the table. while SPE has worked to suppress the information on CFD on PSA. We have no fear of the other product and we are here to prove it.
Powerstroke162 are you the same guy on PSA ranting about Diesel doctor stealing intake manifold ideas? You need to take some time and breath.
Haven't we been over this on this thread? Confederate put a subpar turbo out, replaced it down the road and have a different turbo setup as their current offering.
Can we please talk about that? And SPE turbo or any other companies turbo. Frankly I don't give a **** about the past because they openly admitted to making mistakes and are trying to move. Why can't you or others?
Haven't we been over this on this thread? Confederate put a subpar turbo out, replaced it down the road and have a different turbo setup as their current offering.
Can we please talk about that? And SPE turbo or any other companies turbo. Frankly I don't give a **** about the past because they openly admitted to making mistakes and are trying to move. Why can't you or others?
Steve aka powerstroked162 another unintelligent comment from the peanut gallery. If we were to read 98% of your post they are editorial comments with no substance.
The 3 technical discussions we did have on compressor maps, vgt housing design and 6.7 common rail injection systems, you proved the fact that you know Absolutely "nothing about" Diesel Performance.
We can go back an reread what you just wrote and see if we can figure it out.
Another useful post that offers no value to the thread or diesel industry.
Steve you are welcome to contribute, but if you want to troll go back to PSA.
The 3 technical discussions we did have on compressor maps, vgt housing design and 6.7 common rail injection systems, you proved the fact that you know Absolutely "nothing about" Diesel Performance.
We can go back an reread what you just wrote and see if we can figure it out.
Another useful post that offers no value to the thread or diesel industry.
Steve you are welcome to contribute, but if you want to troll go back to PSA.
So why is it that the same pic keeps getting posted over and over, not just in this thread, but others as well? In my opinion, CFD has explained themselves plenty concerning that pic and stuff from the past, so let it go. If you do not like them or their product don't buy it and stop the bashing. I don't see the point in chasing them from forum to forum talking crap. Let's keep talking about the actual product and stop the childish insults and bickering amongst each other.
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