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CFD price 3199
SPE price 3000
CFD turbo options s363, s366 or efr which can all be purchased from any diesel supply house and we can provide replacement part number
SPE turbo options s363, s366 with SPE cut housings, these turbo's will have to be replaced by SPE if required
CFD exhaust includes headers and uppipes with 40% increased flow
SPE Uses new uppipes with the same restrictive factory manifolds
CFD kit has a new aluminum intake that replaces the factory intake
But the factory intake can still be used if the customer really wants too.
SPE just reuses the PLASTIC factory intake.
CFD has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
SPE has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
CFD kit has a custom 1/4 oil feed straight from the factory oil galley
SPE uses stock oil port off cam bearing which has been proven to be insufficient for an oil cooled turbo.
CFD has a lifetime piping warranty, 12 month turbo warranty, and 30 day money back guarantee.
SPE has a 90 day limited warranty.
CFD kit is in stock
SPE kit is 3 weeks away
Both kits can be installed with the factory emission system in place.

This comparison shows the added value you will get when buying a Confederate Diesel Turbo Upgrade.

 

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P.S. Thanks for posting about our kit on here.

Hey no problem Amy we have been waiting on this.
We were toying with the idea of leaving the stock manifold and stuff on Its secret squirrel stuff and some guys may like that.

 

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If they use the same turbo and same tuning, then the power output should be about the same I would think. It's the quality of the parts offered that makes the difference. One thing I worry about with the CFD kit is the custom exhaust manifolds leaking over time between the manifold and the head. How thick is the flange on the CFD kits?

The flanges are 5/8" thick, they will not warp.
We offer a lifetime warranty on piping leaking, 12 month on the turbo, and 30 day money back guarantee on quality.

We have found that when using the factory manifolds the outlet that points at the firewall causes the up pipe to pull. The flex joints help, but our header alleviate the pull quite a bit. This is The main reason we went with headers.

 

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Not the same turbo. Theirs is a box turbo. Ours isn't. Tuning is different too unless they are using ours?

Off-topic, CFD we saw your d-max break 2 tie rods pulling at the knob. Oops!

Sorry Alan I didn't realize it was not the standard 63 or 66. The turbo in the picture is a 177283 open throat .88 a/r 63mm that comes right out of a box.
What upgrades do the turbo's have, billet cw?
Or are you using the cut John Deere tractor turbine?
I would like to include that in the comparison.
We off these features as well as upgrades on the turbo's, but a box turbo makes the 500 rwhp these factory fuel systems allow just fine.

Evan ripped his driveshaft apart when he won 2.6 at hammonds grove sat.
It was one of our customers pulling at the knob. Did they have a back glass sticker?
What were you guys doing at the knob, you don't even pull a truck do you?

 

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we have this one.
6.7-powerstroke-turbo-upgrade

Hopefully Amy will sponsor here so we can actually have a civil discussion about these products.

 

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Wow...

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I know huge difference in price right?

 

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What boost are these turbos reliable of running at ? 40 psi? 50? Sorry if I have missed this some where.

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With the 7/7 blade compressor boost is lower and spoolup slower with more airflow. the 11 blade cw's spoolup quick and produce about 10 psi more pressure.
The 7/7 make around 34 psi on the hottest tune stock fuel will allow.
The s300 turbos do well up to about 45 psi.

Also remember this is an oil cooled turbo so spinning it at 60k may be ok with the smaller oil feed line in the SPE kit, but if you want to push this turbo hard we have added a larger oil feed line that gets supply straight from the oil supply not the cam bearing. This is standard in our kit, and we have learned from DMAX when mounting an s300/s400 turbo the oil feed from the cam bearing is not enough and the turbo's fail rapidly.

 

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Does either place offer a military discount?

We offer 10% to the military in our shop which would be good for a free install.
Online the pricing is very competitive, so we just don't have the room to discount.
However in this case we would offer 100 dollars off to military members.

Also we do have a complete downpipe that is turbo to the 2 bolt ball and socket flange and it does have the brace that supports exhaust welded on. It cost 350 dollars extra and we found that most customers are happy with the adapter we supply to modify their downpipe.
The brace that supports the downpipe is very important and without it the turbine housing bolts will work loose over time.
I am assuming everyone knows about the brace that bolts the exhaust to flywheel housing, the one that is not on our competitors kit.

 

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I understand the lack of room to discount price. Your offer is very nice though and 100 helps.

I do NOT like that the spe kit uses the factory plastic tube from the intercooler to the throttle body assembly. I've seen multiple posts about that blowing. See attached picture.

CFD- what could you offer for a kit that would be completely bolt-on including down pipe from the turbo? Feel free to shoot me a PM.

The other thing we didn't like about the plastic intake is clear in pictures.
The turbo's are positioned in the same spot. We can rotate the compressor housing down further and bolt the plastic intake on with our kit as well.
If you look in SPE's mockup the fuel lines are not on the truck. If you look at our mockup we use the stock hot side ic pipe, SPE replaces theirs.
In order to install the kit the fuel lines need to be repositioned, in order to get the stock intake on the fuel lines really need to be crushed pretty hard. Its probably ok but allot of customers just don't like it.
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Id like to see more pics of both kits!

Edit: Looked on both sites looks like you get more for your money with CFD besides I think the welds look like they could be better...

Thanks for the review, hopefully more folks will chime in here
Please clarify which product you think the welds look better on.

 

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What does EFR provide versus the turbo chargers SPE is offering?

I noticed a while back SPE published a picture of a pallet of EFR turbos? Those not an option?

We use the efr because the turbo lag is reduced and it has all the latest technology.
That being said using the smaller efr like SPE pictured on the pallets we have found the response too be too fast and the rapid bottom end loading harmful to long term durability.
We would only use those in our parallel twin setup.
Technology such as built in wastegate, ceramic ball bearing, low inertia turbine, built in speed sensor, wastegate, and compressor recirculation valve make the efr turbo an excellent upgrade.
There have been some questions about the ceramic material in the turbine and its ability to withstand egt over 1700 degrees, this is not a problem with stock fueling, but with a dual fuel kit please call us first.
SPE states there kit is a base for a compound and we have to disagree, without a wastegate the s363 exhaust is too tight for a compound. II and CFD use the EFR so that it will light fast and then wastegate the exhaust into the larger charger for maximum flow.
For a stock replacement the out of the box turbo's are just fine and more than enough air for stock fueling or even a modified cp4 pump.

 

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On your site you have the option to upgrade to EFR for $1600 then have another link to an EFR thats priced at $2100. Are these the same turbos?

Also, the EFR turbo priced at $2100 says capable of supporting 800 rwhp. Is this only with the addition of a dual fueler?

I think SPE makes some good products but I'm intrigued with a couple things that make you think.
- I dislike all the plastic still left on the SPE kit.
- What you said about the oil line being insufficient appears to be a good point but do you have any proof?
- The option to upgrade to EFR really is a plus

Correct we are deducting the standard turbo adding a few items needed for the efr and then the price of the efr. If you look at the price of the piping kit and add the 2100 to that you should see how we price it.

As far as the oil line goes. We do a ton of Duramax down here, the duramax have a factory water cooled turbo. The oil is fed from the cam bearing.
It is common knowledge in the duramax community that oil feed is insufficient for an oil cooled turbo. The merchant auto oil line kit or ats kit all tap the oil galley of the engine. We just used this experience and didn't take a chance on the fords. Airwerks told us .250 minimum inner diameter feed is sufficient. There is an integrated restrict-or to control feed.
With an EFR turbo they are water cooled so the factory oil feed would be just fine.

 

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Side by side comparison is very typical. This is a new truck and CFD has had a kit for 6 months, and SPE just came out.
We want accurate information here and we want consumers to have a spot they can go and make a good decision based on facts.
Other sites just don't want these facts known or published so SPE chooses to stay in a place where there is no competition or freedom of information.
IF THERE IS ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE KITS THAT IS INCORRECT PLEASE POST IMMEDIATELY SO WE HAVE FACTUAL QUALITY REVIEWS.

 

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Is it just me or did I take the initial post in this thread wrong? If I were SPE I'd be a little ticked after reading this. Especially after hearing info from them over the phone...

SPE has a bad habit of misleading customers by telling them we called them on how to build this kit.
The truth is after we had built the kit we called for a customer to attempt to purchase a built engine for a truck he wanted to put a kit on.

This post was not meant to upset anyone, only show tha additional quality and value you will get at 300 dollars less than the SPE kit price.
If customers still want to buy an SPE kit for the brand name recognition that is perfectly normal.

 

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Alan we did not have any failed kits to date.
This is once again another one of SPE propaganda.
The tig weld on the stainless up pipe looks great, why did you paint over the snail trails on doyles spe build and the black up pipes in your kit.
This is what our welds look like

 

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Haha, Im a welder, thats funny! All fun and games aside, im happy aftermarket turbos are coming out, but CFD, if I buy from you, I'm welding it myself.


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Those are off a kit we made in a pinch.
For anyone who does not know the history, we had a 6.7 truck brought in with a blown turbo.
The customer gave us 3 weeks to complete our first kit.
It was also over Christmas so all of our experienced welders were on holiday.
The owner was sent pictures of the welds and piping he told us ok great is it done yet.
That weld was actually Evan's first time tig welding and he did pretty good considering it did not leak and he built this in 2 weeks time basically by himself.
Please look at all current kits and photo's we will post some of our experienced welders work.

 

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Alan,
I am looking forward to a very civil discussion of these kits here.
Lets just take our time and work through the whole process, and provide truthful, accurate information.
I think the turbo size we chose and the turbo we chose is great.
Its also the logical choice so I don't blame you for picking the same turbo.
You have concerns with CFD quality I would like to address.
I have concerns with SPE oil feed and downpipe support I would like to address.
I am not a big fan of keeping all the stock intake, but with the EPA the way they are it does hide things nicely.
Lets continue down this road and be patient so we can address all the questions users have.
I started this thread and I am a vendor here so .org should have no problem with you replying to questions

 

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CFD, while I was nitpicking SPE's weld quality, you guys have a LONG way to go to even come close to getting the quality of the welds that they are putting out. Even though your kit does appear to be a well designed kit I think it would be wise to hire a certified welder that can produce the complex welds that will be in these kits. Let your guys practice and get good at it, because hood time is the only way to get better at it. But until then pay someone who knows what the hell they are doing. Those welds look terrible.

That's because it was the tech's first time tig welding. As in that was a picture of the first and only 6.7 kit Evan did all the welding on.
They did look bad, but they did not break or leak.
That kit is no longer in service, we have replaced it free of charge and have a very beautiful replacement installed.
We do have certified welders on staff.
I will have Evan post some pics of the welds on the kits as they are being built. He is in the shop now.

 

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This thread is where CFD started pretending to be a customer looking for information- 6.7 full billet single upgrade - PowerStrokeNation : Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum. Notice how their screen name was ban from that sight as well as Powerstrokearmy where they continue to create user names & chime in. To date, they've been ban around a dozen times if not more.

CFD, if you hate PSA, why are you always lurking & coming back?

Alan that thread is dated 1 week after we had completed our first kit.
The first kit was delivered in 2012

We did have the 2 younger employee's who were very proud of their accomplishment go on the forum looking for acknowledgement.
Anyone could imagine that a 19 year old tech would be proud of putting the first single upgrade in the country on a brand new truck.
The forum treated him very disrespectfully and he took it personal.
He is however very talented and we are working hard on there customer and business skills.

Overall We are happy to have him as an asset.

 

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Posted this question earlier for CFD and think it was missed.

On your site the EFR description says capable of supporting 800 rwhp. Is this only with the addition of a dual fueler?

As far as who copied who, who called who, whose a bunch of jackasses, etc...I'm not sure we'll ever get that solved. It appears to be a bunch of he said she said. I think for all the customers sake you should drop all that talk and strictly talk about products cause thats what we are here for...to buy your chit.

With the welding, I'm no expert so cannot comment on that. But I would be curious how many kits confederate has hold. Because I keep hearing no failures. Is that no failures with 2? 10? 100? I think that's pretty important fact.

Yes that is with a dual fuel kit sorry I missed that.

We totally agree on the he said she said that needs to stop.

We have put our 50th kit together today and have 3 in stock right now.