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CFD price 3199
SPE price 3000
CFD turbo options s363, s366 or efr which can all be purchased from any diesel supply house and we can provide replacement part number
SPE turbo options s363, s366 with SPE cut housings, these turbo's will have to be replaced by SPE if required
CFD exhaust includes headers and uppipes with 40% increased flow
SPE Uses new uppipes with the same restrictive factory manifolds
CFD kit has a new aluminum intake that replaces the factory intake
But the factory intake can still be used if the customer really wants too.
SPE just reuses the PLASTIC factory intake.
CFD has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
SPE has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
CFD kit has a custom 1/4 oil feed straight from the factory oil galley
SPE uses stock oil port off cam bearing which has been proven to be insufficient for an oil cooled turbo.
CFD has a lifetime piping warranty, 12 month turbo warranty, and 30 day money back guarantee.
SPE has a 90 day limited warranty.
CFD kit is in stock
SPE kit is 3 weeks away
Both kits can be installed with the factory emission system in place.

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CFD price 3199
SPE price 3800 with a 300 dollar preorder discount
CFD turbo options s363, s366 or efr
SPE turbo options s363, s366
CFD exhaust includes headers and uppipes with 40% increased flow
SPE Uses new uppipes with the same restrictive factory manifolds
CFD kit has a new aluminum intake that replaces the factory intake
But the factory intake can still be used if the customer really wants too.
SPE just reuses the PLASTIC factory intake.
CFD has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
SPE has a custom pedestal and oil line kit.
CFD kit is in stock
SPE kit is 3 weeks away
Both kits can be installed with the factory emission system in place.

We just want everyone to have all the facts when making a decision and see that when you buy our kit, you are getting allot more for a lot less money.
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P.S. Thanks for posting about our kit on here.
 

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P.S. Thanks for posting about our kit on here.
Hey no problem Amy we have been waiting on this.
We were toying with the idea of leaving the stock manifold and stuff on Its secret squirrel stuff and some guys may like that.
 

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You know you guys arent far from each other. Just have a day where you take 2 trucks side by side, same setups, and see what they do! Dyno and drag.
 

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If they use the same turbo and same tuning, then the power output should be about the same I would think. It's the quality of the parts offered that makes the difference. One thing I worry about with the CFD kit is the custom exhaust manifolds leaking over time between the manifold and the head. How thick is the flange on the CFD kits?
 

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Not the same turbo. Theirs is a box turbo. Ours isn't. Tuning is different too unless they are using ours?

Off-topic, CFD we saw your d-max break 2 tie rods pulling at the knob. Oops!
 

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If they use the same turbo and same tuning, then the power output should be about the same I would think. It's the quality of the parts offered that makes the difference. One thing I worry about with the CFD kit is the custom exhaust manifolds leaking over time between the manifold and the head. How thick is the flange on the CFD kits?
The flanges are 5/8" thick, they will not warp.
We offer a lifetime warranty on piping leaking, 12 month on the turbo, and 30 day money back guarantee on quality.

We have found that when using the factory manifolds the outlet that points at the firewall causes the up pipe to pull. The flex joints help, but our header alleviate the pull quite a bit. This is The main reason we went with headers.
 

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Not the same turbo. Theirs is a box turbo. Ours isn't. Tuning is different too unless they are using ours?

Off-topic, CFD we saw your d-max break 2 tie rods pulling at the knob. Oops!
Sorry Alan I didn't realize it was not the standard 63 or 66. The turbo in the picture is a 177283 open throat .88 a/r 63mm that comes right out of a box.
What upgrades do the turbo's have, billet cw?
Or are you using the cut John Deere tractor turbine?
I would like to include that in the comparison.
We off these features as well as upgrades on the turbo's, but a box turbo makes the 500 rwhp these factory fuel systems allow just fine.

Evan ripped his driveshaft apart when he won 2.6 at hammonds grove sat.
It was one of our customers pulling at the knob. Did they have a back glass sticker?
What were you guys doing at the knob, you don't even pull a truck do you?
 

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So who is SPE, any link for them y'all could share?
 

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I can say this is a first. :look::popcorn::drinking4:
 

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The difference in price is more than I expected.

I looked at confederate's kit on their website, and it says it doesn't include the down pipe from the turbo. I think the SPE kit is complete with everything needed.
 

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Does either place offer a military discount?
 

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What boost are these turbos reliable of running at ? 40 psi? 50? Sorry if I have missed this some where.

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What boost are these turbos reliable of running at ? 40 psi? 50? Sorry if I have missed this some where.

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With the 7/7 blade compressor boost is lower and spoolup slower with more airflow. the 11 blade cw's spoolup quick and produce about 10 psi more pressure.
The 7/7 make around 34 psi on the hottest tune stock fuel will allow.
The s300 turbos do well up to about 45 psi.

Also remember this is an oil cooled turbo so spinning it at 60k may be ok with the smaller oil feed line in the SPE kit, but if you want to push this turbo hard we have added a larger oil feed line that gets supply straight from the oil supply not the cam bearing. This is standard in our kit, and we have learned from DMAX when mounting an s300/s400 turbo the oil feed from the cam bearing is not enough and the turbo's fail rapidly.
 

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Does either place offer a military discount?
We offer 10% to the military in our shop which would be good for a free install.
Online the pricing is very competitive, so we just don't have the room to discount.
However in this case we would offer 100 dollars off to military members.

Also we do have a complete downpipe that is turbo to the 2 bolt ball and socket flange and it does have the brace that supports exhaust welded on. It cost 350 dollars extra and we found that most customers are happy with the adapter we supply to modify their downpipe.
The brace that supports the downpipe is very important and without it the turbine housing bolts will work loose over time.
I am assuming everyone knows about the brace that bolts the exhaust to flywheel housing, the one that is not on our competitors kit.
 

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I understand the lack of room to discount price. Your offer is very nice though and 100 helps.

I do NOT like that the spe kit uses the factory plastic tube from the intercooler to the throttle body assembly. I've seen multiple posts about that blowing. See attached picture.
 

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I understand the lack of room to discount price. Your offer is very nice though and 100 helps.

I do NOT like that the spe kit uses the factory plastic tube from the intercooler to the throttle body assembly. I've seen multiple posts about that blowing. See attached picture.

CFD- what could you offer for a kit that would be completely bolt-on including down pipe from the turbo? Feel free to shoot me a PM.
The other thing we didn't like about the plastic intake is clear in pictures.
The turbo's are positioned in the same spot. We can rotate the compressor housing down further and bolt the plastic intake on with our kit as well.
If you look in SPE's mockup the fuel lines are not on the truck. If you look at our mockup we use the stock hot side ic pipe, SPE replaces theirs.
In order to install the kit the fuel lines need to be repositioned, in order to get the stock intake on the fuel lines really need to be crushed pretty hard. Its probably ok but allot of customers just don't like it.
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