Yeah sorry if I sounded like a grouch.. i wish the search function around here worked better.. Anyway honestly I vote PHP tunes you could get a chip with only a few tunes... and custom tunes are WAY better than anything you just plug in and program... good luck and welcome!Well I took Dietoremain's advice and I am on the search. I think I need just a stock programmer that I can run on economy. Not real sure yet. The SCT looks like a favored brand. I am on the website now.