+1 for deleting everything and never looking back. I figured I'd join in on the Engineering circle lol (Mechanical Engineer myself). While scrolling thru this site I have found some very knowledgable people (Wilson is definitely one of them).
Yes you have to pay to play, but if you go what the EPA broke, and are mindful of the relationship between your right foot and the skinny pedal your truck will run for a very long time.
Sent from a phone smarter than me.
Thank you for the kind words. I never claim to be knowledgeable, but I try to help others out with the facts I do know based off of my experiences.
and obviously ***2 on the relationship between the skinny pedal and your eagerness to push it to the floor!
Yep, but that brings out the engineer in me again because of the exact reasons you state. :hehe:
Well, I have a great relationship with one dealer here (who's a personal friend) and I asked who was most likely to be mod-friendly around here and he said, "No one." I talked to him about tuning and he said it would get rid of the stuff that fails that they see pretty often, but obviously doesn't cover everything that'll fail.
So, as we stand, I may get a warranty, take time to make decision on what route I want to go on the delete, and then cancel the warranty when it's time to add the tuner. The warranty is prorated on years and miles.
I'm still unsure on how long I'll keep this truck even though I love it. With the 2014 (or whenever the next gen debuts) getting closer to coming out, I'll have to see how that goes.
I'm fairly convinced deleting is the route to ultimately go. I've seen some people say that deleting the EGR isn't necessary until it fails. What do you guys think?
Anyone have a place they'd go to get the total package (tuner, EGR/DPF-delete, 5" exhaust, intake)? I'm looking at the Spartan packages right now.
I had a good friend who was a mechanic at a Ford dealership tell me the same thing your guy did...then i was talking to a guy in the coast guard with a tuned 6.4 and he was like ya, I sent it to this place across town and they didn't care! It never hurts to ask...even if your buddy says something.
Doss, my fellow engineer, maybe you should start assessing the risk when thinking about how long you want to keep the 6.4. I've said this time and time again, and I still to this day stand by this statement: the 6.4 will be the most unparalleled and highest valued large horsepower diesel truck of it's time for two main reasons: 1) It's the last international designed/manufactured motor to go in a ford Diesel for a while...2) It has the most reliable
high (500+) HP gains with minimal modifications. Had the EPA not gotten a hold of these trucks, I believe International would not have been dropped by Ford (THIS IS AN OPINION ONLY). Doss, if you plan to rid of the truck in less than a year or two, buy the extended warranty and drive the [email protected]
out of it. You will be missing out on the greatest thing about a 6.4, but at least you have the comfort of a warranty (that's if Ford owns up to it).
However, I would not want to foot the bill of a 2014 truck when the 2011 truck costs 67K new...esp. when you have a beast of a truck for a third of the price (or less) with MORE reliable horsepower when tuned.
I have not mentioned one risk that you cannot prepare for: Ford not warranting your warranty for various reasons. Search on here for the nightmares people have had with Ford with warranties, and read your warranty carefully. Certain components are not covered, and if they cause major components to fail, you are screwed. Also, say you happen to get a bad batch of fuel and your HPFP fails, destroying your motor, and Ford investigates to discover bad fuel caused the problem--say bye to your warranty and a 16-17K bill. Ford warranties in most cases do not pay for themselves, and you end up truckless for weeks on months at a time if something major goes.
I cannot promise anything, but based off of my personal experiences with my truck and all my buddies who have stock/tuned 6.4s, there is far less risk in tuning.
Your good buddy who is a mechanic is right--not all failure prone areas are lost, but you cut them in 2/3 literally, and those left over can be controlled/mitigated (for the most part). A lot of emissions equipment fails even when you run your truck exactly as you should.
Again, to me it sounds like you need to investigate how long you plan to keep the truck and how much you like reliable, brute horsepower. good luck assessing that equation! haha...sounds like differentiating pi if you ask me...:haha::laugh:
I just bought a tuner (spartan)/5" MBRP exhaust/S&B CAI from PTP, they have a sale going on for MBRP parts. I sent a PM to Nate, he was very quick to respond and answer some questions I had.
Obviously I haven't installed anything yet, but can't wait until I do!!!
I went with H&S Mini Max, AFE CAI w/ PG7, and Diamond Eye 5" exhaust to a 6" MBRP chrome tip. I chose because it is what was on sale a year ago when I was deciding to tune.
I wouldn't buy from anyone buy Performancetruckproducts. They have unparalleled prices and unbeatable prices. Call them up and talk to them about deleting. They have tons of these trucks and the SAME OLE QUESTIONS asked to them everyday. If you want a PRO's opinion, call those guys up. They tune our trucks everyday and know them inside and out, especially risks and costs associated with breaking something post-tuning. They will be able to give you better numbers on failure-prone mechanical components. Give them a call.