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New Guy- 1st diesel- turbo seems to have stopped working

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I found a picture of where the MAP hose runs, then went out to the RV to find it. Holy crap! The end of the hose that attaches to that box, sensor or whatever it is had popped off. It was hidden, and I feel lucky I found it. Attached it, and BOOM runs like a champ.

That little sucker just popped off when I was halfway between Chicago and Dallas before sunrise. If only I would have known what to look for, the rest of that trip would have been WAY less stressful and I wouldn't have bothered you all. CASE CLOSED.

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Hi all- I did do a search, but didn't see exactly what I'm experiencing.

I bought an E350 with a 7.3 Powerstroke in Chicago yesterday, and drove it to Dallas. It's actually a 21' RV on the E350 cutaway chassis.

This morning, I'm motoring along at 70 on cruise control. It had been running well for about 500 miles. All of a sudden, the cruise control shuts down. I figured there was just a glitch, so hit the gas to get back to to 70. No power.

I should say lower power. I made it the rest of the way home, probably another 400 miles, but it was a dog. I could get it to 65 on the flats, but as soon as there was any incline it would drop, sometimes enough to where it had to downshift. There was never a noise, or smoke, and it never got hot.

I'm pretty sure the turbo isn't spooling up. Is it possible for it to run without the turbo spooling at all? The stuff I've read so far is that if a turbo goes out, you will see smoke, hear it, etc.

It doesn't miss or sputter. The power delivery is smooth, just very weak. It's at 108,000 miles by the way.

Would REALLY appreciate any insights. It's quite a bummer to have stuff happen on your way home from a new purchase. And I know nothing about diesels. Guess I'm about to learn!
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Are all of your charge pipes connected? not blown out or leaking? that can definitely cause this if you aren't getting boost to the intake.
back a few years, I bought a '98 Dodge dually w/Cummins in it.
it was 5 hours to get back home, and 2 hours into that trip, all of a sudden I heard a huge roaring noise and the truck had trouble running on the level, much less up a slight incline.
Are all of your charge pipes connected? not blown out or leaking? that can definitely cause this if you aren't getting boost to the intake.
I'm not sure. I got home from the bonsai journey and parked it, so haven't looked at anything yet. I landed in Chicago at 8:30 Saturday morning, and was back in Dallas with it 28 hours later. I'll research this and take a look, as I'm not a diesel guy. Well, wasn't. Am now! The good news is that once I remove the doghouse to inspect, everything is right there. Hopefully it's nothing major, and that I didn't screw anything up by continuing to drive it.

Thanks for the head start!
In the most Basic of terms, the SES light (ck eng) will tell you that the PCM (computer) sees something wrong and you need to find out what it is to fix the problem quickly and efficiently. If you don't have that light ON, then I would next suspect Fuel Delivery as the culprit as the PCM has no way to monitor that and a good place to start would be to simply change the Fuel Filter now ;)

My Usual Scanner Advice;

If you're gonna keep & maintain the truck yourself I strongly suggest you get access to the special scanner software you need to do it.

To retrieve most of the codes you'll need to help and even do some testing look at the FORscan Lite or TorqueApp (you add an Android device and Blue Tooth Adapter for @ $30) OR the Windoze version with a USB adapter. I like this one for BT Android -> http://www.amazon.com/BAFX-Products-34t5-Bluetooth-Android/dp/B005NLQAHS/

Just a few years ago you needed to buy a professional scan tool because our trucks need to have a scanner with a Library containing both the Ford Proprietary AND the Diesel Specific codes in it. Add to that, our trucks are Not, specifically, OBD-II so the Generic scanners the Auto Parts Stores have are of little use to us. But today there are some very good App based tools, that are close to what the pro tools do, for fraction of the cost.

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Fuel filters plugged up ?

Adding a fuel pressure gauge as a permanent part of your upgrades would be a benefit
ForScan and the BAFX or ObdLink MX+

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Fuel filters plugged up ?

Adding a fuel pressure gauge as a permanent part of your upgrades would be a benefit
ForScan and the BAFX or ObdLink MX+

Thanks! Will this work for a 1996? I believe it's pre OBD2.

On the filters, I'm assuming you are referring to the two in the tank? Would that potentially prevent the turbo from spooling, but it still run?
you have two filters in the engine bay -- one is on the frame if I remember right
the blend filters in the tank prolly need replaced / cleaned -- but leave that for later
You should see a CEL for low manifold air pressure if the turbo isn't producing the expected psi. If you don't have that then I would look elsewhere. Filters would be where I'd start, especially since you don't know the history of it.
So I ran a scan, and there were no codes. Would this point to a clogged fuel filter? And since there are no codes, can I assume the turbo is not blown and there are no leaks in the system causing the low power? Would a clogged fuel filter not show any codes? I'm starting to become cautiously optimistic that it's nothing major.
Throw a new fuel and air filter(if needed) in there and see if that fixes your issue. Cheap first try and it probably needed to be done anyhow. Use oem fuel filter. Aftermarket comes with a different cap. You don't want those.
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Throw a new fuel and air filter(if needed) in there and see if that fixes your issue. Cheap first try and it probably needed to be done anyhow. Use oem fuel filter. Aftermarket comes with a different cap. You don't want those.
Thank you. Is there just one fuel filter (not including the tank ones)? Someone earlier suggested that there were two fuel filters in the engine bay.
Should be just one.
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Well, shoot. Replaced the fuel filter and got the codes checked. No codes registered and the turbo still doesn't spool up with the new fuel filter. And I ran it with no air filter box, so it's not that.

Any next step suggestions? Appreciate everyone's help so far.
WHO "checked for codes"? Where'd you get that done?
WHO "checked for codes"? Where'd you get that done?
Oh man. Now you're going to give me crap. AutoZone with their scanner. I guess I just figured a scanner would be a scanner.
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Because it was too much effort to read thru Post #5? :(
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Because it was too much effort to read thru Post #5? :(
Sheesh- you got me there. Sorry, and thank you. Guess I saw "no engine light" and assumed it was fuel delivery since it's not on, then missed the part about the right scanner.

So, https://www.amazon.com/BAFX-Products-34t5-Bluetooth-Android/dp/B005NLQAHS/ is for Android only, it appears. Since I have an iPhone family it looks like I will need to follow the instructions for the PC route, correct?
Post #5 and post #6

The MX+ is supposed to work with those apple phones
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The pc version is free. I use that. On the 7.3s I'd get a 100$ boost gauge and put a T fitting off the MAP sensor line and run the gauge in the cab. I'm always interested in seeing what the turbo is doing. Everyone I helped with theirs I convinced them to throw one in. Never had any complaints after it was in. Hard to stop staring at it while driving though.


I ran the background light to the gauge panel wiring and never had any issues with circuits overloading.
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