Well with tune in its not really noticable i guess beacuse converter is locked up most of the time. Take the tune out its a whole other story. 1-2 is ok but 2-3 3-4 4-5 flare real bad then bang into gear and od light flashes! i new it was going to happen just not this soon! anyway got direct clutch codes. to i tested solenoid and it ohmed out a 4.5 and this is ok 4.3 to 4.7 is spec.I desided to put gogo in anyway to no avail. the trans was spotless and fluid is red and very clean.I guess im looking at overhaul so LILPOOH is recomending suncoast rebuild kit. i think im going to priceout converter, input shaft, and clutches and some hardware for it! anything else?