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Life Expectancy of a Reman HPOP

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2007 International VT365
4 years ago I had a HPOP replaced. Couple of weeks ago I had taken the truck in for issues I was having with engine light coming on and engine dying at low speed/RPM. I also was having issues with hard restart when warm. Instead of me trying to explain everything, I'm attaching the repair orders from 4 yrs ago and the other recent one. This last time in the shop, what it comes down to is they (the shop) is telling me I need another HPOP. Shouldnt they last longer than 4 yrs, even a reman?
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Thanks in advance for input.
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I wouldn't have a problem with a Ford or International sourced re-manufactured HPOP of the 05-10 style. It is the 03-04 HPOP that I would avoid - all but Dieselsite and CNCFab.

Many shops say that people need HPOP's when they really don't.
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Wow. That is abuse IMO. I just can't see why it would be that much. You can buy your own pump for $650-$800.

What brand HPOP was installed last time?

Bostech, Delphi, DTech, Dorman, Sinister - I would stay away from for sure. Bosch and Alliant - who knows. It would be nice to know what companies actually did the re-manufacturing for all of these.
I know people feel strongly in all different directions, but 16 years and 238k miles and I have never had a plugged oil cooler. I believe that it is possible to be reliable with the OEM oil cooler, but you have to watch the system fairly closely.
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Yeah, I agree, once it is full of corrosion, debris, etc, it is hard (or possibly next to impossible) to get clear. I know people that have successfully used the Restore Plus and the Ford VC-9, but I haven't used them. Mine was a clean system when I switched to the (far) more robust EC-1 rated ELC coolant - at about 100k miles. I haven't flushed it again since the change, and that was about 10-11 years ago. Maintaining a clean cooling system from day 1 can be a huge plus!
I answered that above. You have an 03. The DieselSite pump or the CnCFab pump. If you don't care for that advice, then try your own and keep us updated once a year.

$676 is marginally over the cost of am OEM remanned pump. The minimal amount more would be eaten up quickly by a repeat job.


Personally, I have the money and wouldn't mind spending it on the DieselSite pump. I have kept up with a few users that installed it and they have a number of years under their belt with no issues. That said, the CNCFab pump is cheaper and also has a good reputation.

Several of the weak areas of an early 6.0L HPOP have been discussed a fair bit - going back to 2011. The only people acknowledging that changes need to be made in the original design are the two companies mentioned above. Their pumps have a great reputation with the forum people that have tried them.

If you don't buy into the hours and hours of following and researching the topic as a few of us have, then roll up your sleeves and start searching.
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No problem. I have spent many hours on the topic and there are even a few good discussions going on right now that include a look at the internals of both the early and the late HPOPs. There have been a NUMBER threads on the early HPOP and whether or not an OEM remanned can be made to last or not. One shop owner on another forum has adamantly stated that he NEVER had one of his installed OEM HPOPs "come back". He attributes his success to proper priming of the HPO system before starting to crank. No doubt this is a VERY good idea, but there are design flaws with the OEM pump that I would want addressed. I also think that many of the failures could be connected to significantly over-heated oil, or debris-contaminated oil, or a lack of oil supply due to a tall aftermarket oil filter cap with a shorter OEM oil filter. So, all that makes it a hard topic to actually "nail down".

My view has always been that if I paid a shop quite a bit of money to install a part, and it failed just past the (say 2 year) warranty period ..................... then I would not be taking it back to that same shop! So unless the failure happened within the warranty period, a shop wouldn't probably see the true 2 yr + failure data. I expect a LOT more than 2 years out of an HPOP reliability!

As you are, I am very skeptical of the need for higher output from an HPOP.
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Definitely the front cover upgrade that enables the 100mm water pump is a good upgrade if you don't have it already.

As far as the upgrade of an 03 engine to the 05+ HPOP, or the upgrade to the later year heads, I think a simple upgrade to one of the two previously discussed HPOPs would be just fine for reliability.
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