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I finally got fed up with my 6."Oh-No!". After this last go-round of the typical 6.0 problems which in the last 3 months have included an EGR valve replacement, a possible FICM going bad and definite injector problems either related to the injectors themselves or the HPOP, I decided to trade my 2005 Excursion on a 2010 F250 Lariat.

The X has just become 'possessed' for lack of a better term. It's at 122K and aside from engine issues, there are several electrical issues going on with it as well so it was just time to say goodbye.

In fact, after living the 6.0 nightmare (in spite of regular maintenance, 0 mods, running cetane, etc..) I'm surprised to find myself back in another Ford PSD. I was dead set on a Dodge Cummins, but the 12K I got knocked off the last 2010 Lariet CC the dealership had and the comfort of a 75K bumper to bumper that I got them to throw in was enough to sway me.

So far from what I've been reading it appears that the 6.4 is shaking out to be a pretty good engine except for some early issues with the Build 1's from 2008. I accept that the mileage isn't as good because of emissions, but is the 6.4 good enough to atone for the sins of the 6.0 and what do I need to be on the look out for. Thanks!!:)

BTW, it's my first post here - been a long time lurker though. Great Forum!!

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Congrats on the new truck. When my truck was stock I was avg about 16.5 mpg per fill up. But I mostly did hwy driving. But as far as I can tell these 2010 trucks should have all the bugs worked out. I love my truck and with the mods I have make a ton of power and I get even better mpg.
 

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You should've gone with the 7.3L! Haha! Just kidding... I'm also interested in what the 6.4 has to offer. I'm researching this engine platform for a friend, so... I'm definitely subscribed! :thumb:
 

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congrats on the truck!! i absolutely love my 6.4. the fuel mileage isn't great because of the DPF. one of the main things that i would be aware of is that a lot of these trucks tend to have radiator issues. i mean there are some exceptions..i know a guy that has over 60K miles and never had an issue, but another friend that had 4 radiators go out in 20K. but the 2010 should have a most of those issues taken care of. and if you want my two cents, if you dont mind throwing down a little bit of cash, go get the spartan tuner and DPF removal. its the best thing that you can possibly do for these trucks. it gives you more power than you could imagine, it runs great, and increases your fuel economy way better than any other programmer out there. i'm running a 6" lift with the 310 tune and can get about 20 on the highway. and the best part about it is if you ever have to take it to the dealership, all you have to do is put the DPF back on and reload the stock tune and they can never tell. i recently took mine in, and they ran three different computers on it and never detected the tuning. as soon as i got it back, it took me a couple of hours to have it all back on and over 500 hp again! hope this helps! hit me up if you have any questions. and congrats again on the truck!
 

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i heard that removing the dpf and kitty void warranties, am i mis-informed?
Yes it does but if you put everything back to stock and have a spartan tuner and return the computer back to stock the dealership will never know.
 

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How difficult is it to do that? Should I get a turbo-back system or just remove the dpf?
You can do it by yourself but it would be better if you had a buddy to help. And it just depends on how much power you want to back. I did a downpipe back exhaust which is enough if all you plan on doing is tuner, exhaust, CAI. But if you want to back some serious power then get turbo back exhaust. I am planning on replacing my downpipe here pretty soon but I heard that is a PITA to replace.
 

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just do downpipe back.. save you lots of time when putting it back to stock.. my trucks has gotten a new radiator new egr new dpf and whole brand new tranny all warrantied and ive allways had a tuner on it.. just gotta suck it up and change exhaust back when you have a problem. I wouldnt trade my truck for anything
 

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You can go with just the delete pipe, no need to replace the whole downpipe-back setup.
 

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its really not bad to switch the exhaust back. it takes a couple of hours and its pretty easy if you have someone helping. and i wouldn't worry about the turbo back...just do downpipe back. you'll get plenty of power. if you want more details on the dpf removal, let me know. i took pics last time i did it so you can see exactly what you'll be dealing with.
 

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QUITTER!!! :hehe: :hehe:

LOL I'm just messing with ya', I really want a 6.4 as well, but I've spent too much time and money on this one. And it's paid off.!
 

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Thought I'd just chime in here and thank everyone for the feeback and advice. I've definately been looking into ways to improve the fuel economy.

DPF delete and a tune seems to be the way to go but I don't want to go messing around with pulling it and reinstalling it. Also seems like Ive read a few horror stories about 10K fines if you get caught.. I think rollin coal from a 2010 might be an instant tip-off. Are there other economy tune options that don't involved emmissions mods? (Banks Six Gun anybody?)


Othwise I've been very happy with the truck. I've pulled our 33ft travel trailer a couple of times up to Show Low which involves some serious hill climbs and both times I've averaged about 9-10 mpg which is only 1-2mpg less than I got with the X so I guess I can't complain too bad. Power is fantastic though. These trucks sure wake up when you start hitting that cold mountain air too! Once the outside temps started dropping into the low 70s upper 60's it seriously felt like the truck wanted to yank the front end out of my trailer with a pissed off vengance!

Running empty I'm currently averaging about 17.2-17.3 according to the lie-o-meter. Have not confimed this manually yet. The X used to get about 20-21.

I will say that at about 4000mi, I've picked up the signature 6.4L 'tick'. Almost sounds like a rocker arm tap when a valve stem isn't clearanced correctly. TSB out says its normal and oil related. I'm coming up on 5000mi soon and will be doing my first oil change on the truck so we'll see how she goes after that.

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Thought I'd just chime in here and thank everyone for the feeback and advice. I've definately been looking into ways to improve the fuel economy.

DPF delete and a tune seems to be the way to go but I don't want to go messing around with pulling it and reinstalling it. Also seems like Ive read a few horror stories about 10K fines if you get caught.. I think rollin coal from a 2010 might be an instant tip-off. Are there other economy tune options that don't involved emmissions mods? (Banks Six Gun anybody?)


Othwise I've been very happy with the truck. I've pulled our 33ft travel trailer a couple of times up to Show Low which involves some serious hill climbs and both times I've averaged about 9-10 mpg which is only 1-2mpg less than I got with the X so I guess I can't complain too bad. Power is fantastic though. These trucks sure wake up when you start hitting that cold mountain air too! Once the outside temps started dropping into the low 70s upper 60's it seriously felt like the truck wanted to yank the front end out of my trailer with a pissed off vengance!

Running empty I'm currently averaging about 17.2-17.3 according to the lie-o-meter. Have not confimed this manually yet. The X used to get about 20-21.

I will say that at about 4000mi, I've picked up the signature 6.4L 'tick'. Almost sounds like a rocker arm tap when a valve stem isn't clearanced correctly. TSB out says its normal and oil related. I'm coming up on 5000mi soon and will be doing my first oil change on the truck so we'll see how she goes after that.

-Adam
What state do you live in?? "$10k fine" depends on where you live.
And DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT get any Banks tuning. I will find you, and punch you if you get it.. I had the six-gun and took it out within the week.
 

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$10,000 dollar fine is administered by the EPA.....the Feds. Does not matter what state you live in.

Don't know of anyone who has been fined though. Pity the poor soul though that is made an example of. With the government spending like it is, chasing those with tunes could be easy revenue.
 

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$10,000 dollar fine is administered by the EPA.....the Feds. Does not matter what state you live in.

Don't know of anyone who has been fined though. Pity the poor soul though that is made an example of. With the government spending like it is, chasing those with tunes could be easy revenue.
The EPA can't give you a fine for removing emissions equipment unless you're in a state that requires it.
Texas? You can have all EGRs removed and no DPF and get a sticker.
My mom doesn't know how to drive my truck, she did anyways and blew smoke all over a cop. She got a warning. So no, it does matter what state you live in.
 

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No, the $10k for removing EPA mandated equipment is a federal fine, its just some states don't enforce it. It's still illegal, even in Texas.
 

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No, the $10k for removing EPA mandated equipment is a federal fine, its just some states don't enforce it. It's still illegal, even in Texas.
Well the person that gets the fine either A) deserved it B) has the worst luck in the world.
 
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