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How much sand is in these 6.0 blocks???

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I've had my 05' F250 truck since 2017...picked it up with around 200K miles on it. I went through and flushed the coolant system, installed a new OEM motorcraft oil cooler, and added an IPR high flow coolant filter shortly after I got it. Since then I've cleaned out the coolant filter ever year....and it's always been full of sand. Just did it again tonight after a total of 60K miles and 6 years. It was still fill of sand...lots of sand.

After 18 years of service, at least once coolant flush (if not more), and a brand new oil cooler....I'm still getting tons of sand and grit picked up in the coolant filter. How much sand are in these blocks? How in the hell am I still picking up sand in the filter after a coolant flush (if not multiple), and coolant filter, and 18 years of use?

I would have thought that by now, all of the "casting sand" would have been flushed out of the block by now.

Thoughts?



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Yeah, I've flushed mine many many many times. The flush adapter from FixUr6 has been critical in keeping it in check. I think some of the reason is using a flush at some point and then switching to CAT ELC has helped break up some of the casting sand and rust. Anyhow, gotta keep it up. Is your filter after the oil cooler or do you also have the remote oil cooler from IPR?
Well crap, guess I'll be installing my Mishimoto bypass coolant filter here right away.
I didn't get much out of the several bypass filters I cut open over the years.
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I didn't get much out of the several bypass filters I cut open over the years.




I'll still install it though.
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I did two good flushes over the years and did a third to go with extended life coolant. After running a garden hose for several minutes and on the fifth flush with distilled water I still got some sediments, I decided enough was enough with the flush since I had a air cooled oil cooler anyway.

I think my case of sediments was using a Funoto block plug which protrudes into the coolant passage so it can never drain that last bit of sediment.

Done again, I might bring the Fumoto valve even with the passage.

There is no other wayto do this without a fumoto valve. Who is going to remove the passenger side starter five times for a flush to get at the block plug?
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So probably a good idea to do a garden hose flush once a year with these engines AND use a silicate free ELC coolant yah?
So probably a good idea to do a garden hose flush once a year with these engines AND use a silicate free ELC coolant yah?
I don’t recommend that. I recommend do the flush and enjoy driving the truck, and if deltas go up, flush again.

Every time you do a flush, there’s a slight chance of knocking hardened sediments loose that will clog the cooler. There are hundreds of flush ended bad stories. I have one.

Just enjoy driving the truck.
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I don’t recommend that. I recommend do the flush and enjoy driving the truck, and if deltas go up, flush again.



Every time you do a flush, there’s a slight chance of knocking hardened sediments loose that will clog the cooler. There are hundreds of flush ended bad stories. I have one.



Just enjoy driving the truck.
My coolant temp and oil temp never go beyond a 7 degree difference so perhaps I'll just install the Mishimoto coolant bypass filter and leave it at that?

Engine has egr delete and big aluminum tank setup for better oil cooling or something like that.

I should really post up a bunch of Engine pictures to get some feedback from all you way more experienced fellas here :)
My coolant temp and oil temp never go beyond a 7 degree difference so perhaps I'll just install the Mishimoto coolant bypass filter and leave it at that?

Engine has egr delete and big aluminum tank setup for better oil cooling or something like that.

I should really post up a bunch of Engine pictures to get some feedback from all you way more experienced fellas here :)
You could do that, nothing wrong with a seven degree delta. You could also install the IPR full coolant filter in bypass mode, and at a later date buy the manifold kit and have it in full flow mode.


IMO, a bypass coolant filter is an easy to install thing that is hard to do wrong. Some other things like a coolant flush need a little more time and a little more planning since they can go wrong. The full flow is a trickier install. For me, I could not figure out how to get the coolant cover off the oil cooler, but later found out there is a low profile ratchet set for that. I never had my IPR filter installed very long, just enough to run coolant through it, before I upgraded to the air cooled oil cooler and did not need it anymore.
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You could do that, nothing wrong with a seven degree delta. You could also install the IPR full coolant filter in bypass mode, and at a later date buy the manifold kit and have it in full flow mode.


IMO, a bypass coolant filter is an easy to install thing that is hard to do wrong. Some other things like a coolant flush need a little more time and a little more planning since they can go wrong. The full flow is a trickier install. For me, I could not figure out how to get the coolant cover off the oil cooler, but later found out there is a low profile ratchet set for that. I never had my IPR filter installed very long, just enough to run coolant through it, before I upgraded to the air cooled oil cooler and did not need it anymore.
Ok well I'll have to research all that lol.

As far as I know my engine has and aftermarket high performance oil cooler, Spearco intercooler+piping, erg delete, upgraded Y pipe, upgraded pistons/rings, APR studs, 165cc injectors and all that jazz so I was just going to add on a bypass coolant filter as well as bypass oil filter just for piece of mind.

Engine is a reman long block with only 120,000kms and newer turbo so I have no problem investing a few grand into it to keep it as healthy as possible for as long as possible :)
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Since I just posted this over at FTE to a sister thread to this with some of the same people, I might as well put it here too.

While rebuilding my engine, I inspected the cooling jackets with one of my borescopes. This is what is known as a bridge in the foundry world. A small space where the two molds meet, and when cast, the metal enters that space. This opening is not sprayed with the release agent like the normal surfaces are, so it's easier for the sand to attach to the metal. I had two areas with sand like this; the other was in a corner where the release agent probably wasn't covering.

This was a rebuilt engine by a Ford contractor. So it had a new engine life, the block rebuilt, and going through all the processes with that, then 75,000 miles in my truck. And it was still there.

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I soaked my coolant jackets with Evapo-Rust, then ran pressurized water through the block to rinse it out. The result was the sand removed from the misplaced casting, along with any residual rust.

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Just like covid if you stop reading and believing the internet you wont have any problems see those two trucks in my picture 07 capped off both ends of EGR cooler change oil fitting snap to connect I think it is called new up pipes stock tune and coolant filter.
08 complete delete after warrenty was up replace up pipes,replace backplate for emergency brakes run a 150 HP tune from punch it performance so far no motor problems,use Motorcraft filters and fluids for oil and trans fluid (SP) and coolant change oil 3000-4000 miles or 6 months which ever comes first my oil is always just a little dirty that 08 is the best truck I have ever owned they are well taking care of and both look just as good as the day they were bought new.
The dually I mostly use to tow our 13000 pound 5th wheel.
08 is just a driver and used to get on the beach on Hatteras Island to fish and lounge.
I'll still install it though.
Once I remove the top (again) to replace the up-pipes with the Diesel Site set up that has been staring at me for months now, I am going to remove mine. I have zero reason to have now and it is another possible leak point.
If you have the coolant heat exchanger in then it can only help things IMO.

The OEM oil cooler is what I was referring to. Mine is gone and replaced by an air to oil cooler, rendering my bypass coolant filter nothing but a piece in the way under the hood.

If you have it in place, then it is nice to have.
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Once I remove the top (again) to replace the up=pipes with the Diesel Site set up that has been staring at me for months now, I am going to remove mine. I have zero reason to have now and it is another possible leak point.
If you have the coolant heat exchanger in then it can only help things IMO.

Ok so I have to go research everything you just described lol. I've only been a 6.0 owner for 2 months give or take so still learning the basics of this power system.
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Thank you for dumbing it down for me lol. I know my engine has EGR delete and upgraded high performance oil cooler, but not sure if the new oil cooler is air to oil.

Is the aluminum tank that's behind my radiator an air to oil cooler setup or something else?

Also thank you for your help :)

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Most likely you have the OEM style oil cooler.

That shiny piece is an updated CAC (charge air cooler or intercooler).
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This is gonna sounds sorta stupid but.... do you live in an area with sandier soil or near beaches? We had a family friend that lived in a place with sandier soils and then a place near beaches and his truck picked sand up through the air constantly. He was using filters as fine as they come but still getting sand. It stopped soon after he moved away from those areas but he said it was bad. Although I don't know if the air issue connects to your issue....
This is gonna sounds sorta stupid but.... do you live in an area with sandier soil or near beaches? We had a family friend that lived in a place with sandier soils and then a place near beaches and his truck picked sand up through the air constantly. He was using filters as fine as they come but still getting sand. It stopped soon after he moved away from those areas but he said it was bad. Although I don't know if the air issue connects to your issue....
Curious how beach sand would get into the coolant as it's a closed system no? :unsure:
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