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I am in the market for a new diesel. My 2012 has left me stranded and nickeled and dimed me to death over the past couple months. I’ve bought a denali suburban for my wife last year from Laura GMC and saved a ton. I checked out their Durmax selection and they have over a hundred in stock and their advertised price is thousands cheaper (10k) than a comparable Ford. Is there not a mass volume super duty dealer that lists rock bottom pricing on the internet? I prefer the super duty but not sure its worth 10k more. Any internet volume dealer recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
 

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The front end and running gear much much much less stout than ford or dodge, frankly a joke and something you’ll need to treat with kid gloves. As long as you don’t run over size tires or do serous off road or towing in 4wd than they are fine. That is their weakness they don’t switch to solid axle till there 4500+ serious which are the commercial cab versions they don’t have a 450 cab and bed equivalent
 

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Stay with the Ford. Once there deleted there the greatest thing since slice bread. Better trans. Extra fuel pump. More potential. Larger factory tires.

Sorry for the rant.... I just came from a duramax. there good and all but id never go back.
 

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I'd like to see the stickers where these "comparable" trucks were $10k difference in price. A volume dealer can often offer a better price, but they don't lose money on anything current models. I haven't actually priced a GMC lately, but historically, they are more than a similar Chevy, which is pretty close with Ford pricing. Any of them can run a sale or offer incentives at any time though, so that can certainly pay off if you're looking at that time. I have a friend that just bought a new 2019 GMC 2500. It's a good looking truck, but I haven't really checked it out in depth yet. Those IFS front ends are tougher than @jetjock15might have you believe, but obviously they are not a solid axle and can't take as much abuse. They do ride good. They also are good at tearing the corners off the tread on the tires and eventually doing the Chevy curtsy.
 

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I don’t look at GMs anymore and here are my reasons:

1) square wheel wells. I need a slightly higher ground clearance for work and GMs are a pain to raise them enough to get bigger tires on.

2) location of the DEF tank. The tank is under the truck near the running board. It is ridiculous how low it sits. See above. Also, to fill def, you have to do it under the hood. Annoying.

3) cheap looking interior. It looks like GM has used the same door handles since 2002. I can’t believe how basic and boring it is. The Denali interior looks like a base model compared to the other 2 leading companies. That’s just my taste though.

4) Government bail outs. Both Canadian and American governments have bailed them out numerous times yet GM still closes plants in Canada and US to make them cheaper in Mexico. You’re welcome GM.

5) towing number are around 5000lbs less than ford or dodge. I’m sure it will pull like the ford or dodge but it’s not rated to do so. I’m sure that’s a suspension issue.

Overall, the GM truck is a very nice truck if it was 2004. The technology is nowhere close to Ford and Dodge. The ride however, can’t be beat. Unbelievable how smooth it is and the gas mileage is good. If it was a daily driver and never towed anything, I would look at a GM HD.......... Wait, no towing, id look at a gas half ton.
 

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Forgot too add this.

GMs commercial making fun of aluminum truck boxes. They completely failed and have been called out on poor editing to make the aluminum box look terrible. About a year ago, GM said they would be introducing an aluminum truck and remembered that they can’t make the box out of aluminum because of their advertising. Now they plan to make it out of a weird carbon fibre or something like that. Yup, a plastic box. You heard me. Any company that has to devalue a competitor is scary. That shows they can’t show value with their vehicle so they have to devalue the competitors. Everything I know about sales is you show why yours is better and not why theirs is worse.
 

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Great Point Teddy, even though G8 is basically a salesman Teddy reminds us they went bankrupt and reopened the next day. All
They really did was default on good folks retirement. I can’t support that even if G8 will attest to a marvelous front end
 

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IFS doesn't belong on an HD truck, enough said.
 

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Ah come on JJ, I just said they were tougher than you "might" have them believe. We run IFS in our half ton race truck. We have gone to aftermarket axles since we've bumped up to closer to 800 hp, but the stockers did reasonably well at 600+.

This is a race from a couple of weeks ago. We are the blue truck. We also work on the other truck at times (racing family). It's a BBC 499, ours is a SBC 408. In all fairness, he had shifter problems and they did beat us in a race later in the day. If we could get the handling out of a solid axle that we get from the IFS, we'd find an older body style and run it, but with these aftermarket axles, we are doing fine. I just wish I could remember the name of them. LOL They are about $2500 for the pair, but they have a lifetime warranty.


BTW, every vehicle I own (5) is a Ford, All of my company vehicles (6) are also Ford's, so saying I'm a salesman for Chevy is a little off the mark.
 

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Good cover G8. Having multiple Fords is exactly something a GM salesman would say. Lol. Just joking.

I don’t think you can call the GMs a true HD truck because of the lack of towing weights compared to the major competitors. The IFS drastically reduces the towing numbers but it’s jot the only reason for the discrepancy in towing numbers. It’s a weird situation and it’s almost like the GMs are in a class of their own. Better ride with more towing than a half ton. Call it a miniHD. HD to me is towing and hauling.
 

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A half ton race truck weighs a lot less than an HD diesel truck, especially with a load. It isn't the CV axles that are the weak link ( at least from what I have seen) it's the ball joints and tie rod ends, I have replaced several. It's even worse if you have bigger tires, a buddy of mine has a Duramax with 35s and it went through two sets of ball joints and tie rod ends in just a year, then he snapped one off right at the pittman arm. An IFS puts more strain on the steering componets because every time it cycles it's pushing or pulling on the tie rods, and the camber changes. This isn't a problem with a straight axle. The tires also seem to wear out on the outsides quicker even when properly aligned.
 

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Was it mentioned anywhere what you are using the truck for? (daily driving, towing, hauling, etc).

I think that would drive what you are going for, or at least that is how I would approach it. If heavy hauling and/or towing, I think I would skip the GMC and stick with a Ford, or Dodge. The ride is definitely smoother and better on the GMC compared to the others, but I would only go that route if I knew I was light towing/hauling. A friend of mine is a Chevy mechanic however, and swears by those trucks. He tows a similar enclosed race car trailer as mine with I think a 2008 HD with the LMM engine. Does just fine.
 

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Those trucks are rad G8. Glade you get my sarcasm, some never get it. All that being said like others mentioned I think it’s different in a HD diesel towing. If you drag a half stuck/sinking 20k Toyhauler/camper through the sand in 4wd and the truck starts wheel hoping they give out pretty quick. Statistically I guess they surviving ok but i see at least two a year break a tie rod or cv or seen the entire diff gernade. I broke a front axle, snapped it in that same scenario in an 06 F250 but with front locker engaged but I guess nobody is invincible. Well except me now with the 450 lol. Got a front locker again but much bigger axles! I’m into the desert Baja scene, IFS is far superior in almost every application, but no place in 3/4 ton and up trucks
 

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A half ton race truck weighs a lot less than an HD diesel truck, especially with a load. It isn't the CV axles that are the weak link ( at least from what I have seen) it's the ball joints and tie rod ends, I have replaced several. It's even worse if you have bigger tires, a buddy of mine has a Duramax with 35s and it went through two sets of ball joints and tie rod ends in just a year, then he snapped one off right at the pittman arm. An IFS puts more strain on the steering componets because every time it cycles it's pushing or pulling on the tie rods, and the camber changes. This isn't a problem with a straight axle. The tires also seem to wear out on the outsides quicker even when properly aligned.
Agreed, especially on the HD trucks. Although, we haven't had any issues with the tie rods or ball joints on the race truck. Oddly enough, after this last race we did pull the entire front end off for a complete rebuild. About the only thing that "really" needed replacing was the lower ball joints and the A arm bushings, but I'm pretty sure they were as old as the truck itself. The biggest issue we've had with the front suspension and steering is the idler arm. Been through about 4 of those.

Those trucks are rad G8. Glade you get my sarcasm, some never get it. All that being said like others mentioned I think it’s different in a HD diesel towing. If you drag a half stuck/sinking 20k Toyhauler/camper through the sand in 4wd and the truck starts wheel hoping they give out pretty quick. Statistically I guess they surviving ok but i see at least two a year break a tie rod or cv or seen the entire diff gernade. I broke a front axle, snapped it in that same scenario in an 06 F250 but with front locker engaged but I guess nobody is invincible. Well except me now with the 450 lol. Got a front locker again but much bigger axles! I’m into the desert Baja scene, IFS is far superior in almost every application, but no place in 3/4 ton and up trucks
The clamshell design isn't the best for sure. One of the reasons I've heard that they don't sell a True-Trac for them is because the limited slip setup will almost insure an explosion of the case.
 

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Forgot too add this.

GMs commercial making fun of aluminum truck boxes. They completely failed and have been called out on poor editing to make the aluminum box look terrible. About a year ago, GM said they would be introducing an aluminum truck and remembered that they can’t make the box out of aluminum because of their advertising. Now they plan to make it out of a weird carbon fibre or something like that. Yup, a plastic box. You heard me. Any company that has to devalue a competitor is scary. That shows they can’t show value with their vehicle so they have to devalue the competitors. Everything I know about sales is you show why yours is better and not why theirs is worse.
BUUUUTTTT...............They have one <cough> hell of a tailgate <cough> :hehe:
 

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BUUUUTTTT...............They have one <cough> hell of a tailgate <cough> :hehe:
until you leave the hitch in the reciever and open the tailgate into the step configuration....
 

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I got to play with one of those tailgates today. Its surprisingly tricky to use. When you have both tailgates down, it’s hard to close. You can’t just close the foot step because the entire tailgate flops and it doesn’t feel like it’s closed. If you close the actual tailgate first, the little step goes flopping around and creates a nice pinch point for your fingers. Can’t believe how light the tailgate is. I thought it was neat but I can see it failing with how tricky it is to close.
 

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i did a job for a guy back in 07 he had a nice 06 with a utility bed and he LOVED his truck i have kinda kept in touch with him a bit over the years he was a nice guy so..
ayways his 06 died on him he couldnt figure it out and our idiot for stealership couldnt either he tried to order an an 18 and they wouldnt do it for him :sad: so he wound up with a gmc left hi on the side of the road 4 times in a year and he finally figured out the pcm on his 06 blew the gm rots in this driveway and he is back to working out of his 06 no issues since replacing the PCM
i guess the hood leaked and drowned his PCM.
now everytime i see him he rants about how much he HATES GM they wouldnt back it he is fighting the lemmon law now with a one year old truck that is a complete pos...
that is all
 

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I’m not brand loyal by any means, but all trucks have those lemon law trucks. It seems that if a guy has bad luck once, he has it twice. Lol.

I buy what I believe to be the best truck on the market at the time I need to buy one. I always had dodge because my previous years 2008 and 2012 trucks, dodge reported the least amount of major problems. Ford had turbo and tranny problems from what my buddy who is a service manager at a ford dealership told me. He recommended that I buy a dodge. Seriously. Don’t give me crap about that, just took his recommendation. Lol. In 2018, Ford was years ahead of the competition in technology and like dodge and chev, finally had a proven powertrain. It was a pretty easy decision for me. Dodge is catching up by adding adaptive cruise, 360 camera etc. to the 2019s and chev will be a few years behind that. The Denali I was playing with today was a 2019 half ton with the 6.2L? I think that’s what it was. So low to the ground and had no badging so I am guessing. The interior is the most boring and plain interior yet again.
 

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I am in the market for a new diesel. My 2012 has left me stranded and nickeled and dimed me to death over the past couple months. I’ve bought a denali suburban for my wife last year from Laura GMC and saved a ton. I checked out their Durmax selection and they have over a hundred in stock and their advertised price is thousands cheaper (10k) than a comparable Ford. Is there not a mass volume super duty dealer that lists rock bottom pricing on the internet? I prefer the super duty but not sure its worth 10k more. Any internet volume dealer recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
I'm pretty sure this is not a new thing, the pricing difference. Ford's pricing is higher than others and factory rebates lower. It's not uncommon to see GM trucks advertised at up to $14k bellow MSRP. You wont see that kind of pricing on a Ford Superduty even at a volume dealer, the factory rebates arent there. That's not to say you can't negotiate a better than advertised deal.
 
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