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Hey hey Powerstrokers....yeah, I'm a newbie to Fords and P-Strokes. I've been a Chevy guy for 25+ years, and D-Max guy since 2002. Owned 3 and loved them all. My problem is......the current situation with GM and their new found love affair with the Chinese. I heard (NOT read...HEARD) a speech with GM's CEO telling the Chi-coms they would be building new Plants as well as State-of-the-art Technology R&D center OVERSEAS......"presumably" with our bailout tax dollars. And we have 20 million AMERICANS out of work.....WTF is THAT all about GM?????????

I've had enough and am looking the Blue Oval. I've heard good things and bad, just like Cummins and D-Max, so let's not get wound up too tight. I have gathered from this site that the early 6.0's, ie 02-04 are trouble, and the 6.4's suck diesel like a sponge. I tow a 30' travel trailer a few weeks a year for hunting and family vacation trips. Other than that, it sits parked in my shop most of the time. That's why my 2008 D-Max has 32,000 miles on it. I obviously don't drive it a lot, I'm not a hot-rodder (have a '73 Rally Challenger for that), and don't pull crazy heavy loads when I do need to grunt. I WILL keep a diesel of some flavor until I'm too old to aim a rifle!!!!

So.....my issue is...give me solid pro and cons for a 2005-2007 Crew Cab Powerstroke with around 75-90K miles. I'm eyeing a couple and they are keeping my attention. Just don't want to regret my decision to dump a D-max I love because of socio-political issues, for a truck that I should have avoided in the first place. I don't want a "new truck" payment, so I'm avoiding the entire 6.7 discussion.

Thanks and I look forward to your experienced opinions.
 

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Well I can tell you I have 2 2004 6.0's and love them. No problems with them, 1 is modded with all the popular mods and the other is stock. Both are ran hard and well maintained... They have never had problems other than a bad egr cooler and t-stat, and FICM. Both have over 160,000 miles.. Main thing with these motors is MAINTENANCE. They are like women needing lots of attention. I change my oil and ford fuel filters every 3k miles(I know that is overkill but when you understand what that engine is doing to the oil to make it function you would tend to believe its a good insurance policy). On top of this, keep up on coolant, i use the ford gold that gets changed out once a year, and delete the egr cooler PERIOD. Other than that- this is the model i have followed by and my trucks give me great operation. 03-07 6.0s one year is not more reliable than the other by the way. Just take care of them and fix problems when they come up just like any other mechanical device. Of course over time you will have your typical wheel bearing etc etc go out but look: If i were to buy another 6.0 which i will soon i will look into the 100,000 mile trucks as chances are they have had there problems resolved to get that far etc. Stay away or should i say use caution when buying a low low mileage 6.0- chances are they got problems and there is a reason why they have low mileage, these motors run best when they are ran everyday and HARD. My uncle has a 06 f350 harley truck for sale with only 30k miles want it? Yeah- thing needs new heads, oild cooler, egr, head gaskets, and stc fiiting.. See what i mean? I might ad as my uncle does not take care of the truck and thats why it is dead.. Anyway just gives you an idea of how good these 03-07 trucks can be
 

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I don't regret my purchase of the 6.0L truck back in fall of '06.

You can check my sig for threads of interest to every 6.0L owner, or perspective owner.

For towing, I really like the looks and handling of the '05-'07 duallys (though the SRW's weren't bad - mileage is a bit better.) If you can find a TowBoss (4.30s) and don't mind the mileage, you have a truck that is on par with the '11+ F450 pickups (minus a wide track front end).

I test drove and researched all three trucks back in '06, went with the Ford based on its frame, body, interior options, and transmission. Even with the less than stellar 6.0L reputation, I wouldn't trade it for a newer truck due to the emissions equipment.

Any questions, feel free to ask.
 

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Ur probably gonna have to change the oil and egr cooler. Stick a coolant filter on 1st for a month or two , flush the coolant then replace the coolers IMO. 6.0's can be made reliable tho
 

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Thanks guys. I'm looking into an '05 with 78K miles, and an 06 with 89K miles. Both are crews, 4x4, Lariats, short boxes, ect. The same equipment, different color, year and mileage. The 05 can be bought in the high teens, the 06 in the mid 20's. The dealer will give me more for my trade with the 05, so I'm leaning hard in that direction IF I pull the trigger. It took me a long time to bite the bullet and pony up the cash when I bought my first diesel (the 02 D-Max). Every diesel since has been brand new, so I get a little antsy with buying ANYTHING used, but I just can't plop 50K for a new truck which I don't think I want anyway. 2 kids heading to college in a few years, so I need to make sure I'm as ready for that as I can be......not sure you're ever really ready unless you're Trump, a Hollywood star, or a politician, and I'm not any of those....just a regular guy who doesn't like pi$$ing away my money.

Any thoughts on those 2 particular trucks? I see what you meant about one with 100K+ miles and getting the bugs worked out. Without knowing for sure on a specific truck, do you think the same logic would apply for high 70's or 80's mileage? I realize we're only talking about @20K miles.......

What kind of ballpark expense are we talking about to change the coolers, add a coolant filter ect.? I know maintenance is what it is......but are these "fixes" to the design going to be big dollar expenses? I've heard several folks comment on deleting the EGR cooler completely, and some saying replace them. For what it's worth, I've never done anything other than add K&N air filters to any of my D-Max's......so i'm real nervous.... Sorry to be a pain, just trying to make sure I don't regret this.

The dealer with the 05 almost sounds like he is trying to talk me OUT of trading....., but telling me what a great truck the 05 it is at the same time. That's a first, I've never had a car dealer try to talk me out of buying from him!!! :hehe:

Oh, and one other tidbit to add as far as why I'm considering changing brand flavors anyway. Ontop of all the issues with GM as a whole, the local Chevy dealer is refusing to honor some things he put IN WRITING when I bought the truck, claiming the Bailout, change of ownership, ect. has caused them to discontinue that service. He has offered to "help" a little, but it's NOT what I have a contract guaranteeing, which means more money out of my pocket. See why I'm just a "little" bitter? The local Ford house has treated me VERY good with my F-150 Company work truck......btw they have the 06 I'm looking at.
 

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All I can suggest is that you NOT do like I did, buy either one without checking its' background.

Ideally you'll have not only a Carfax report that's clean, but also an Oasis report from the Ford folks showing what warranty work has been done since new.

Then buy yourself a Scan Gauge II and plug it in before you test drive them - all of that is outlined in the Stickies in this section at the top of the page. It's the best $160 you'll ever spend.

Then, and only then, you can make an informed purchase decision.
 

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Buy a monitor first, such as scanguage II or an Edge CTS. Then go out and use it to check things out on any truck you're interested in. You'll want to pay close attention to the FICM voltage and the Engine Coolant Temp/Engine Oil Temp deltas. Run the truck when it is fully warmed up at 65 mph, the difference in the ECT vs EOT should not be more than 15*. If it is, you're gonna be replacing the oil cooler very soon. Also, pay close attention to the turbo when testing it. The vanes tend to stick on a truck that sits for a very long time.
 

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I got the Bullet Proof EGR cooler installed by the local ford dealer for around $2100 last summer, that included a new OEM oil cooler and a few other things. I would highly recommend you replace the OE one with the BPD one if it hasn't been done yet. Find out what part of 05 the truck was made as they changed a few things midway thru that year. Also be ware that if you dont drive that truck like it was stolen every week you will be putting turbos into it, they are meant to be driven and not to sit. If it should fail go with a Mad Turbo Werks one and you wont have to mess with it again you can get a stage one for about $800 which is a upgrade over OEM should yours fail. Tell the dealers you WILL NOT purchase the truck with out seeing the oasis report FIRST dont let them BS you about it. And as stated above get a scan guage and see what your engine is doing. write down FICM voltage, EOT, ECT and what ever else you can and come back here for opinions.
 

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I was in a similar situation as you. I was a die-hard Chevy fan for years; now I wouldn't buy a new Chevy no matter how good the deal.

The dealer with the 05 almost sounds like he is trying to talk me OUT of trading....., but telling me what a great truck the 05 it is at the same time. That's a first, I've never had a car dealer try to talk me out of buying from him!!! :hehe:
Is this truck at a Ford dealership? How long has the salesmen been at that dealership? If he is not trying to push the '05 on you, I'd say he was likely around when people were still struggling to figure out the 6.0 issues. They can be made reliable, but it will cost you. As stated earlier in this thread, the 6.0 requires a lot of attention and maintenance; it is not a truck you can neglect and get away with it.

This site is a wealth of information on the 6.0. Some 6.0 threads will be informative, and others will be bashing sessions. Colo_dually listed some good ones. If you are seriously considering a 6.0, I would set aside a few hours one day and read through the related threads on this, and other sites. After that, ask yourself if the 6.0 is something you're ready to get involved with. My suggestion is not to deter you from a 6.0...especially because they can be purchased for fairly cheap. Im only suggesting you read through the threads so that you are fully aware of all the positives and negatives of that engine.
 

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I wouldn't buy any of those trucks unless they've been studded, new head gaskets, egr delete and oil cooler. If the trucks don't have guages pretty much tells you the previous owner didn't monitor the engine. If you do buy one of them plan on doing the work down the road and make an offer accordingly. Plenty of 6.0's out there for sale with all the mods done.
 

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If I had two kids nearing college, wanted to get a reliable ford crew cab of that generation and one that would pull well, although not real heavy as you suggest...I'd get a 5.4 or V10 version. Ya ya, it's not a diesel but they will do the job you describe and fall within the parameters you suggest including reliability and low cost for service/breakdowns. Yes they will use more fuel during the towing events...but thats not everyday, all day.

I know you're asking about a 6.0L diesel...but I'm not sure how anybody could tell you that you won't have a problem ever, even if they never have. Without a doubt it's highly possible you could have expensive problems no matter how nice the trucks is. I've seen guys that bought new ones and would have filed bankruptcy if it weren't under warranty coverage.

A gasser can have problems too of course. But the cost to repair isn't nearly as high as a 6.0L. Lose a turbo, lose head gaskets, install studs, lose oil coolers, lose some injectors, all the downtime and labor...you'll soon learn the true meaning of expensive engine repairs.

That's just my opinion based on the facts you gave up front on your overall goals in life with this truck. I'm sure it won't be a popular opinion.

(Personally I love my 6.0L...but I love Triton V10's just as much. They sound so good with a performance exhaust. My neighbor has a Harley edition black crew cab V10 F350 long bed. It's an awesome big truck. And he's never even given reliability a second thought. I've seen V10's with 300,000 trouble free miles on them). (I know this isn't a popular point of view here...but it's what I'm saying)

And if you MUST have a diesel of some kind...buy an old first gen 7.3L Powerstroke to restore/play with.
 

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In fact...there are few diesels of any generation I'd ever recommend for best reliability and durability. My 91 Cummins was reliable. So was my 02 Duramax LB7. But they don't make those anymore. (Thanks EPA). The new Powerstrokes are ticking time bombs. We have 8 at work and have had trouble with several including injectors shooting out of the heads for no reason. And lost one turbo. MPG's are single digits. So there you are.

A question...since you already own/bought the DMAX you have...how is that going to change GM's situation at all? You already gave them the money they need. Can't you just keep this one and trade it off or sell it when your kids are out of college? The "damage" is already done. If you like it, own it, it does the job and you're happy with it...keep it until next time. THEN you can stick it to GM. Otherwise this could be an expensive socio-political statement to you, and you only. GM will never notice the loss of a sale because you already bought it.
 

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I would agree with Neil that for the small amount of use I would go with a gasser.They can sit for extended periods of time with no issues. I would not dare to let a 6.0 sit for the length of time you are stating. I know a diesel is what you want but maybe you should take a hard look at the gassers. Just my opinion. Good luck with what ever your decision is.
 

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Thanks again guys. I found my new toy and will be picking it up today; an '04 crew, FX4 package with 125,000 on the odo. It has brand new injectors, as in last week "new", EGR delete and Tuner, new turbo, updates to the fuel system, new straight pipe exhaust, and Nikko rubber. It was ran through one of the local diesel performance shops for the injectors, EGR delete and tuner, as well as the mechanical inspections. The shop is considered "the" place to go around here for that kind of work, so I trust their opinion. He said there is no indication of any leakage from the head gaskets or anywhere on the engine, and gave it a clean bill of health.

Laughing, he even told me if I didn't buy the truck, he was looking for a new shop truck and would buy it. He is NOT related to the guy selling the truck BTW.......hehehehehehe!!!!!!

So, I'm taking the plunge. I sold my D-max at the auction in Denver. GOODBYE GM......... All said, I bought my new ride for around $16K with all the updates already done. I'm not sure about the EGR cooler though, so I'm crossing my fingers. I'll touch base again with the wrencher and see what he says about that. Wish me luck and I'll pop some pics when I get it home...if the snow doesn't get it all dirty :laugh:
 

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The egr delete deleted the egr cooler. So you should be fine. Congratulations!


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