[busincowboy]

Hi guys and girls, new here. I was doing some research on black diesel and came across this website. I have been using black diesel for about six months now. I farm and have been using it in all my diesel engines. I started out by using a 80% waste oil to 20% diesel. I found that some diesel engines run differently on it. I have a 986 international tractor that I could probably run straight black diesel on. I have a 575d ford newholland backhoe that does not like it at all. I now run a 50-50 mix. I have processed almost 2500 gallons, and have run a lot of it through a 912 duetz diesel engine that I pump water for sprinklers. It is a 100 hp and has used most of the black diesel. I have a 2004 6.0 ford powerstroke which I ran 50% mix. I purchased this truck in Jan.2012. I did not know these trucks were so fickle. Since I have bought it, it has had to have at least five to ten minutes to warm up until it ran smooth. After that it was great. The first time I put black diesel in it, it runs so much more quite, and it does not need to warm up at all before I take off. I do use Seafoam in my mix to cut down on carbon buildup. I have also saved thousands of dollars. The only draw back is if I get to high of percent of oil, it tends to loose power, which could be do to other problems such as filters. Although I do not seem to change fuel filters any more frequent. I am still experimenting, and it is a very oily dirty job at times. But I am sold on this. It really helps making the engine run more quite. I can also tell a difference when I am filtering the oil in where it comes from. I have one supplier that is a auto repair shop. I get about 500 gallons a month and I have to change my filters less with his oil than some of the farms I get it from. Sometimes it has antifreeze in the oil, but I have welded nipples on 55 gallon barrels about two inches from the bottom. I then have welded a nipple with a valve on bottom of each barrel so that when I leave the oil set for 24 hrs, the water settles to the bottom with the sludge and I filter the rest. I am now working on a centrifuge that I got off an old eruopean tractor called a Zetor that use one for a filter instead of the spin on filters, to take out more of the contaminates before it goes through the filters. I right now I am using a three stage filtering system. I start at 10 microns, and then a 5 micron, and then go down to 1 microns. love the stuff so far.

 

[JJFLASH]

I think you are a brave man running that stuff in your 6.0 but I am interested in learning more about it cause to be honest, I've heard of guys doing it in older diesels like tractors (as you mentioned) but not something as precise as a modern 6.0.

Subbed cause I want to see what other guys have to say about it.


Welcome to the org by the way :thumb:

 

[Hank]

My son has an older 7.3 IDI that will eat just about anything you can feed it. Have to admit that we haven't tried cat piss although there are some that claim they can burn that too!

Welcome to the org.! :thumb:

 

[Tuscany]

Thats pretty interesting. Welcome to the org! What are you mixing just old filtered waste oil and diesel fuel??

 

[vegginpsd]

I recomend that the OP puts all of the fuel savings in the bank. It will be be needed later.

Having performed CF testing on crankcase oils I can say with confidence that there is so much wrong in the OP, and that dooms day is rapidly approaching.

I will edit this post if I am able to find the old thread on the CF crankcase oil tests I did....

Here is the link
http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/bi...upplements/144774-wmo-centrifuge-results.html

24 hours of ambient temperature gravity settle is not adequate for removing antifreeze or water. Not even close. Nor is simple filtering of contaminated WMO.

 

[busincowboy]

I recomend that the OP puts all of the fuel savings in the bank. It will be be needed later.

Having performed CF testing on crankcase oils I can say with confidence that there is so much wrong in the OP, and that dooms day is rapidly approaching.

I will edit this post if I am able to find the old thread on the CF crankcase oil tests I did....

Here is the link
http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/bi...upplements/144774-wmo-centrifuge-results.html

24 hours of ambient temperature gravity settle is not adequate for removing antifreeze or water. Not even close. Nor is simple filtering of contaminated WMO.

I have done enough research on this topic. Although I have read the negatives before I ever tried it and researched those as well. I use a lot of fuel in my operation. I am running probably about 50% black diesel that has been deluted by 50% when I am using it. I keep my filters cleaned, and I also use a water absorbant to also remove water and antifreeze. I have not had any problems with black diesel. As I said there are some injection systems that do not fair will. That is due to the pump. Many times the oil is sitting in 275 gallon totes for a few days before I can get to processing it. Time will tell if I made a mistake, and I will let you know the problems I do have. I have processed a neighbors oil which he had in 55 gallon drums sitting out side. There was probably a third in some barrels that was water from outside moisture seeping in. I do not pump that into the process. But some does get through. I usually let it sit for six hours, and drain off what water has been pumped in. Then I wait a couple of days and drain off what has settled. Not much does drain off after the initial drain. Plus I do not filter anything below two inches after that. You have to know that water gets into regular fuel through condesation, or contamination. This is why they have products to help mix with it to put it through the engine. I appriecate your concern and it is duely noted.

 

[vegginpsd]

Cool
Glad you know the hazards.

 

[busincowboy]

Thats pretty interesting. Welcome to the org! What are you mixing just old filtered waste oil and diesel fuel??

Many countries do this around the world. It does give you better fuel milage, and more power. I have heard some use it staight, but I first used a 20% mix of regular diesel. I found that my 986 international tractor loves it. I have a 7040 Allis chalmers that said that was to thick. It smokes like a bugger anyway. Now it looks like an old steam engine. It does run great on it after I up the % of diesel in it. My combine loves the stuff. My 7120 caseinternational runs better on the 50%. My 575d ford newholland hates the smell of it. But I do not run black diesel 100% of the time. I use to much to keep up with what I can process. The engines run much more quite because the fuel is lubricating everything. Takes out the knocks. My son uses it in his 2001 ford powerstroke. He loves it as well.

 

[JJFLASH]

Do you have any pics of your processing system? I have access to basically an unlimited supply of used motor oil. I am way out of my element here with the science aspect of it all but does it matter that used synthetic oil gets dumped in the same barrel as dinosaur oil so I suppose you could call the oil a synthetic blend lol. Is that blend a problem for burning?

 

[vegginpsd]

Synthetic oils are designed to NOT burn. Thus, they will give you trouble when trying to use them as "Fuel".......

 

[frakchered]

Subscribed...interested as I have been to afraid to run anything but diesel in my 6.0. Now my turbo diesel Benz is another story. I do just about everything with little issues. But it is all mechanical.

 

[t-ray-4ray]

Subscribed I have tug boats with plenty of rotellA t 15-40. Waste oil that I could use in my 7.3 about 150 gals a month it would be nice I know my 7.3 could eat it but for how long humm?


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[vegginpsd]

That is the $10,000 question (cost of new 7.3 with R&R)......
How long can it run? Who truly knows.

I can tell you what remains in waste oil....If you want to see pictures, just ask. You can "filter" waste crank case oil until the cows come home. It is just insufficient.

To the OP......
Drop on of the tanks out of one of those machines, and snap a few photos for us......you will quickly see what I mean.

 

[JJFLASH]

Ah so synthetic oil is a no go. That's why I asked.

No disrespect and I hope you two can keep the conversation civil, but it's very interesting that you guys both seem knowledgeable and both claim to have done varied degrees of research yet you each have VERY different conclusions.

I'd like to see some evidence to support each side.

FOR THE RECORD: I AM NOT FUELING A FIGHT. I AM ENCOURAGING DISCUSSION ON AN INTERESTING TOPIC.

...did you guys catch that? Fueling a fight? I thought that was clever lol.

 

[vegginpsd]

Simple Centrifuge ...putting a centrifuge in every garage!


Simple Centrifuge ...putting a centrifuge in every garage!

Simple Centrifuge ...putting a centrifuge in every garage!

I dont want to be party to fueling a fued (pun unintended), however, cleaning a oil varies little depending on what kind of oil it is. (petro, synthetic, vegetable, etc)

I have cleaned tens of thousands of gallons thru the above mentioned CF. It works. In addition to the info that follows, I will not bother with adding HEAT to the equasion, as I dont believe it would be necessary to add another variable. It should be pretty clear given the info and photos what is safe to run and what is not.

1G= The force of gravity. This is what settleing oil is subject to.
1269G= The force of a quality gravity fed CF at 3450 RPM and a 9" rotor.

Remember also, that crackcase oil is FILTERED thru the engine oil filter.....thus it is already filtered......so why filter it more? For that matter, if its filtered, why change it?

 

[tubular031]

1G= The force of gravity. This is what settleing oil is subject to.
1269G= The force of a quality gravity fed CF at 3450 RPM and a 9" rotor.

I remember once I called this settling vs forced settling and I think it was you that asked WTF I was talking about... haha that was a long time ago!

So veggin, would you say that if running a CF for filtering your thoughts on WMO/black diesel are different? The tone of this thread (as I read it) is dont do it because all the gunk in WMO. DO you think that a CF force settling the WMO is ok?

 

[vegginpsd]

I remember once I called this settling vs forced settling and I think it was you that asked WTF I was talking about... haha that was a long time ago!

So veggin, would you say that if running a CF for filtering your thoughts on WMO/black diesel are different? The tone of this thread (as I read it) is dont do it because all the gunk in WMO. DO you think that a CF force settling the WMO is ok?

After all of these years of messing with all of these means and methods of cleaning and running alternative fuels I will share my final conclusion....

Nine months ago, as some may already know, I quit running WVO. I no longer burn, or recomend it or any other alternative fuel with only one exception. That fuel is QUALITY, carefully tested, B100.

I dont feel that for long term use WVO, WMO, DSE, or anything should be run. I have an ocean of VO, but no longer will burn it until carefully converted (fully passsing 27/3 test) and water washed followed by a carefully executed Sandy Brae test.

You guys can do what you want. I am glad for the successes of the OP, however it is only fair to share with everyone else the other side of the coin which is the potential for major engine failure.

I have seen more than most, done more than many, and have quietly drove off into the sunset with all I have learned lately. Smarter, greener, and with a couple more bucks in my pocket.

 

[Tuscany]

Ok so why would you of burn or run wvo anymore? What's wrong with it or what happened to your vehicles?

 

[vegginpsd]

Ok so why would you of burn or run wvo anymore? What's wrong with it or what happened to your vehicles?

I am going to refrain from answering that in this thread. It could hijack this thread further. Maybe in a different thread....


Im just waiting for the "other side" to bring forward the proof and data showing cold settle and filter is safe for WMO. That is really what this thread is about..... correct?

 

[mytruckbroke]

I looked at the centrifuge link and it looks like my centrifuge when i clean it out. I am heating the oil as hot as i can without blowing the place up (150+) then running the 10 inch centrifuge (best i can tell that is 3000g's) at about 7 gallons per hour. i have run three batches so far. I plan on sampling the oil for contamination. I do plan on running the oil in two of my tractors and have tried it in my 04 6.0 no egr. At 50/50 mix it turned my exhaust pipe very light grey. My speculation is that it is burning cleaner due to the exhaust color. The $100,000 question is will this oil damage the engine. As for the Op i did an experiment and ran the oil through blue jean filters before running the first batch. Not good result. Less stuff than without jeans but it still had about 1/8" thick layer of sticky stuff (like tar) after 40 gallons.