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I keep seeing clone vcm2 modules on fleabag and on internet and wonder if anyone has tried one.
What ids features work and what don't is of particular interest.
I would love to do as much diagnosis and repair myself as possible, call me weird if you wish but I just do.

Thanks in advance for any input.
 

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I bought a Chinese knock off and never ended up getting the stupid thing working. I couldn't get the software to function so I gave up. I need to sit down and try to get it going one day. Trying to get someone to troubleshoot the issue over email when they can't speak English wasn't working out for me. As of right now it's a $300 paperweight
 

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I'd love to save the $$$ but slowly realizing I might as well pony up for a real vcm2 and subscription to IDS.
My google ninja'ing reveals people saying some clones are fine some saying all clones are crap and some saying they have found clone vcm's that will ready just fine but after erasing the ecu won't program it.
Of course internet opinions are like a**holes everyone has got one :tard:...
Lack of first hand experience is not giving me a warm fuzzy for the clones.

HighHP if you get that going i'm sure i'm not the only one on here that'd LOVE to hear about it.
 

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Yah Id love to have it going, I need to turn off my stupid DRLs. Im going to try and get at it again these days off. I saved all the old chinese emails so I need to go through them all, maybe I missed something.
 

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the clones are really hit and miss, most do not work at all.

something to consider is the IDS program actually registers the computer its installed too now rather the the VCM serial number. So even with a cheap clone vcm your still stuck with the subscription to the IDS. Without it the functions are severely limited.

The VCMIIs are quite a bit cheaper then the original VCMs where. They are worth the cash if you use it which the average user may not find enough use to justify the cost
 

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Well I am going to chime in with my experiences,
I have 2 clone sets. One is hard wire and the other has the
wireless connection.

The key when installing the clone software is the patch file.
You must run the patch before you try the app the first time.
If you don't you will have to dig out all it parts that are buried
in the system you installed it on.

The hard wire connections on both work just fine however the wireless
connection was a PITA and I was not able to get it to work. Also
the software that came with that clone was messed up somewhere
and would not connect even hardwired. Both units work on the first
copy of IDS I got. I will be testing the clone with a REAL IDS that I have.
I picked up the older disks on Fleabay. They are the 2009 issue ones.
We will see.

All in all I am happy with both units when used with the older software.
BTW the reason for the 2 unit is I was testing a new supplier in China.
They did well and my other supplier is back working again so if I do buy
for people I can go back that route to get new units if I need/want any.


Sean



EDIT : Sorry about digging up an old thread.
 

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I have a clone that works. The software is a bit of a hassle to install, but I picked up a cheap laptop on Craigslist to dedicate to the job.
 

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ok i just need to know if i have stumbled onto the "Underground Ford Club" or what in the name of.......... Zueses butt hole are you guys talking about?!!!
 

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ok i just need to know if i have stumbled onto the "Underground Ford Club" or what in the name of.......... Zueses butt hole are you guys talking about?!!!

Grab a pick and shovel and dig in. >:)

If your not up on all the acronyms.
IDS is (Integrated Diagnostic System) <<< The software
VCM or VCM2 is (Vehicle Commutations Module) Ver 1 or Ver 2
Then lastly the VMM (Vehicle Measurement Module) <<< Lab scope

I still have not made any new attempts to get the wifi connection working
but in doing some other searching I think I may have the answerI need.
Looks like I missed a step.:surprise:

I just need to setup a power supply so I can play with options and not
be out in the truck. It's cold and wet out and the truck only has two cup holders.

BTW sort of a off question. But anyone know what you need to do
to review old saved sessions that have not been closed yet?
That is without the truck to plug into.

Thanks

EDIT : Well I had some time to myself and got to do some looking into
how to do things with the IDS. I found that you don't need the VCM attached
to the laptop to review any stored data/scans. I also got the print function
working. Now if only I can get the Wifi connection to work. BTW the printing
problem was a grumpy printer driver. Reinstalled a fresh copy and BINGO.



Sean

 

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I recently bought one from this company. I bought the wifi model but like stated above. I have not played with it much yet and have yet to get the wifi part to work. I was able to get the software loaded and operational. It took a few attempts to get it right. The link is for wifi compatible model but does not include the D-Link wifi modules. It is also needs a firmware update to use the current v97 IDS. If I bought it again, I would not buy the wifi module equiped version.

Quality A WIFI V97 VCM II OEM Diagnostic Tool for Ford wholesale

Video on how to install the software. It is cumbersome but does appear to work. It is installed within VMware. VMware is a virtual machine running on you laptop. Virtual machine emulates a computer within a computer isolating the IDS from the real world and license checking. I would suggest as one did above to buy an old laptop with at least 3gb of memory and 256gb disk drive. I loaded w7 on mine and the software with the VCM comes with WMware and an image of XP sp3 to load for IDS.

Ford 96 VCM II VMware

Is it worth the price I have paid? At this time, I can't say but honestly not sure it is worth the cost if you don't plan on using it more than a few times a year.
 

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I recently bought one from this company. I bought the wifi model but like stated above. I have not played with it much yet and have yet to get the wifi part to work. I was able to get the software loaded and operational. It took a few attempts to get it right. The link is for wifi compatible model but does not include the D-Link wifi modules. It is also needs a firmware update to use the current v97 IDS. If I bought it again, I would not buy the wifi module equiped version.

Quality A WIFI V97 VCM II OEM Diagnostic Tool for Ford wholesale

Video on how to install the software. It is cumbersome but does appear to work. It is installed within VMware. VMware is a virtual machine running on you laptop. Virtual machine emulates a computer within a computer isolating the IDS from the real world and license checking. I would suggest as one did above to buy an old laptop with at least 3gb of memory and 256gb disk drive. I loaded w7 on mine and the software with the VCM comes with WMware and an image of XP sp3 to load for IDS.

Ford 96 VCM II VMware

Is it worth the price I have paid? At this time, I can't say but honestly not sure it is worth the cost if you don't plan on using it more than a few times a year.
Hi Larry,

I take it you looked under the one end cap to see if the D-link dwa-131 nano usb adapter was there?
If it's not there then you will need 2 of them. One for the laptop and one for the VCM2.
Also in reading you need to use the Microsoft Wireless manager so it will connect right.



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Hi Larry,

I take it you looked under the one end cap to see if the D-link dwa-131 nano usb adapter was there?
If it's not there then you will need 2 of them. One for the laptop and one for the VCM2.
Also in reading you need to use the Microsoft Wireless manager so it will connect right.
Yes, it is there under the black cover. I have not played with it lately to see if I can get it to connect.

I still think the easy route for most would be use use the USB cable to connect laptop and VCM.
 

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You are so right on that.
Also it seems that the only time I get to use it is where there is a problem
that I really need to be fixed and so don't have time to tinker.

It would be so nice for it to work out od the box. Too bad we don't get it that easy.
I guess that is what we get for going the cheap road. Potholes.

If I get the time and find an answer I'll be sure to post what I found and the how.




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I have read somewhere that if you try to use the newer
software from Motorcraft it will brick the Chinese units.

I know someone that has the older IDS software from before
the VCMII days when they did not have the phone home feature
in the software. he was able to use the older software. But with
the clone VCMII I am not willing to take a chance of bricking mine.
I did try an install of the older software and it did not connect with
the newer VCMII.It did not recognize the device.

I wished that Motorcraft would come out with a reasonable priced <<<< Ok I know that is a funny one.
tool for the DIY guy. Maybe they could do what the tuner people
do and marry it to the VIN and if you need more than one VIN pay
a bit extra but not the $600+ per year like it is right now.

BTW my idea of reasonable price is lets say $250.00 for the tool and $25.00
and $25.00 year for each added VIN over the 1st one. Also no phone home
built into the software. I have been bit by that a few times by forgetting to
plug something into the internet or not accessing the app and having it lock up
till I reenter my password and let it connect. (sorry pet peeve)



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I recently bought a clone one but I have not played with it much yet and have yet to get the wifi part to work. I was able to get the software loaded and operational. It took a few attempts to get it right. The link is for wifi compatible model but does not include the D-Link wifi modules. It is also needs a firmware update to use the current v97 IDS. If I bought it again, I would not buy the wifi module equiped version.
 

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I recently bought a clone one but I have not played with it much yet and have yet to get the wifi part to work. I was able to get the software loaded and operational. It took a few attempts to get it right. The link is for wifi compatible model but does not include the D-Link wifi modules. It is also needs a firmware update to use the current v97 IDS. If I bought it again, I would not buy the wifi module equiped version.
Same as you, I would not buy the wifi if I bought again.

I have played around with mine. It did take a few attempts to get it loaded correctly. Has been operational about a month now.

Even the authentic Ford VCM-II require the firmware update to use v97 or newer IDS.
 

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On the Motorcraft site, the user manual foe the IDS goes through setup for the wifi....there is also a test program to look for the wifi signal from the VCM....i have not played with it lately
 

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