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Yesterday i went to fill up my transfer tank at a local station after a long trip towing and long story short i ended up leaving fueless. I pulled up to the station and started putting my info in the machine when this 5'1'' gas attendant came up and was already on my a$$. He said to turn off my truck in a heavy puerto rican accent. I told him it isnt good for diesel engines to be shut off immediately after stopping. He acted like he didnt even hear what i said and asked the same thing again. I then told him you cant ignite diesel with a simple spark like a normal gas engine and that i wasnt filling up my truck, i was filling up my transfer tank (which is covered in a rubber based bedliner) and that i wont turn off my truck. He again ignored my common facts i tried to convey and then told me to leave. I didnt make a huge deal, cancelled my payment in the machine and went to find another station. The fuel nozzle never came out of the pump.

I could understand that they still need to ask you to turn it off because its there job and there liability but i wasnt having it with him. He was rude and demanding from the very first sentence, when someone throws me disrespect i give it back two fold. He also couldve just said " yea i know but management makes me do it anyway". I dont know, i guess im just venting in a way. Anyone else leave there truck running, had this experience?
 

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I usually fuel with it running. Sometimes they run out like it's the end of the world to tell me to shut it off.
 

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I usually fuel with it running. Sometimes they run out like it's the end of the world to tell me to shut it off.
i find it really funny. Do you turn it off when they ask immediately? Do you worry when you do it without spooling down?
 

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It's wasteful, un-intelligent, dangerous, and in most states; illegal. There's no reason to leave ANY motor running while fueling. Why place yourself and others at risk of fire and explosion? You shouldn't have to be told or asked. If you want it to idle for a time before cutting it off then do so before putting a fuel hose in the tank or in another tank or a can in the bed or beside the truck. Is it as easily ignited as gasoline? How many times have you tested throwing a match into a puddle of gasoline or diesel? Not many if any if your brain works better at science than it does at syntax and pronouns. There is NO reason worth risking setting your truck, the pumps, you, your loved ones, and anyone else nearby on fire when there is no need for it. So, do the responsible thing rather than the ego fulfilling thing. Just turn it off.
 

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You are right, i dont know what syntax is, first time i have heard of it. Also dont know how it is wasteful since alot of people including the ford owners manual says to let these trucks spool down after long or hard driving. I also have tossed matches in a cup of diesel to demonstrate to friends many times and never caught on fire.

I appreciate the response on your input but your type of comments are what gets threads closed and I, myself dont want that. If you want to have an uncivil heated discussion rather than a factual based informational one that people can learn off of please pm me.
 

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If you want to spool down, do it away from the fuel hose. Diesel burns and kills people just the same as gasoline does. I don't care how it seems safer than gas...it is a fuel. It does burn. It's just common sense. I have over 237,000 miles with no spool down and no issues or damage. See one vehicle fire and a human being burn to death because of it, and maybe then you'll learn. Yes, it was a diesel fuel fire, and three people died. A man, woman, and a pre-teen.

As for the comments; I believe your thinly veiled curse words and racial slurs will cause a thread closure more assuredly than anything in my post. I have no desire to private message you.
 

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You could've just said that first sentence in the first place with the same impact to me, since i asked for peoples opinions. (hence the forum). No need to go on a ty raid because you think flaming people and yelling your opinion will make your point more convincing . As for seeing it first hand, send me a link to the article in the paper. I dont beileve you saw what you say you did.
 

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I was recently in the philippines, we were being driven around in a toyota, similar to a 4runner with a small diesel motor. Anyway, we had several fuel stops, not once did the owner of the toyota turn off the engine. The gas station attendants never had a problem with it and were usually within a couple feet of the vehicle, if not cleaning the windshield.

I imagine he has been doing it this way as long as he's been driving (a long time) and wouldn't be surprised if it was common practice for many there. Most, if not all of the Suv's and trucks were diesal powered as well as some cars.
 

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Personally I let my engine idle for about minute before shutting it down around fuel pumps. Gasoline vapors in a confined area is the most dangerous so many things such as static electricity..catalytic converter heat causing leaves, paper bags to ignite and cause a fire. I saw many strange things happen handling refined products in my 17 yrs working for Texaco. The tanker truck had a power take off to run the pump needed to offload gasoline..diesel and Jet A (kerosene) and you had to run the engine to pump off these products at facilities with vertical storage tanks. The old 2 cycle Detroit Diesels were noted for sometime sucking in gasoline vapors and causing the engine to run wild! Usually the storage tanks are located far enough from the pump islands in most places but never take safety for granted around any petroleum products.
 
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Most uneducated gas attendants and gas station managers no nothing about the chemicals in fuel or know the difference in flashpoints of different kinds of fuels diesel is around 140 deg f and regular gas is around-40 deg f. Guess You will just have to deal with it.


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I was recently in the philippines, we were being driven around in a toyota, similar to a 4runner with a small diesel motor. Anyway, we had several fuel stops, not once did the owner of the toyota turn off the engine. The gas station attendants never had a problem with it and were usually within a couple feet of the vehicle, if not cleaning the windshield.

I imagine he has been doing it this way as long as he's been driving (a long time) and wouldn't be surprised if it was common practice for many there. Most, if not all of the Suv's and trucks were diesal powered as well as some cars.
thats cool you noticed that kind of stuff while you are abroad! Do they still use high sulfer stuff over there?
 

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Most uneducated gas attendants and gas station managers no nothing about the chemicals in fuel or know the difference in flashpoints of different kinds of fuels diesel is around 140 deg f and regular gas is around-40 deg f. Guess You will just have to deal with it.


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Yea ill just idle down in a parking lot or something if there is alot of people from now on. Wouldnt want to make bamcghee's day job harder
 

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Leave it Running Always...
I should have taking a picture on Friday morning. I was talking to HWY Patrol while fueling up and running
:respekt::respekt: he never said a word...Must Be A Montana Thing :lol_1:
 

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I should have taking a picture on Friday morning. I was talking to HWY Patrol while fueling up and running
he never said a word...Must Be A Montana Thing
It's a whole different world up there from where im from. I have family up in superior and its an amazing place to live for sure!
 

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It's a whole different world up there from where im from. I have family up in superior and its an amazing place to live for sure!
I know were that small town is on the clark fork river Idaho line.:thumb:
 

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thats cool you noticed that kind of stuff while you are abroad! Do they still use high sulfer stuff over there?
Im not sure about that. I was reading that years ago they were mandated to use at least a 500ppm fuel (euro-II) and had started introducing lower sulfur options over the years. I also just read that euro-IV standards (50ppm) would be government mandated by 2016. Not sure if that happened or if it was country wide.

He seemed to prefer Shell and I noticed they had two choices in diesal, what they called Fuel Saver and V power, opting for the slightly more expensive V power.
 

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thats cool you noticed that kind of stuff while you are abroad! Do they still use high sulfer stuff over there?
ahhh when the philipines better quality diesel haha. I have personally never seen "grades" of diesel so thats something new to me. I read somewhere that euro grade diesel has a higher mandated cetane rating than the u.s too, which is interesting since they are trying to ban diesel engines in the big metro cites like london...
 

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It's a whole different world up there from where im from. I have family up in superior and its an amazing place to live for sure!
I know were that small town is on the clark fork river Idaho line.
I know were that small town is on the clark fork river Idaho line.Thats the one! It sure is a quiet little town other than the freeway next to it but its nothing to complain about. Where abouts are you from?
 

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I know were that small town is on the clark fork river Idaho line.Thats the one! It sure is a quiet little town other than the freeway next to it but its nothing to complain about. Where abouts are you from?
North of the town of Bozeman in the Bridger Mountains.. I try to stay out of town as much as I can to many people about 40,000 live here now. WTBleep
 
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