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7.3 no start

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I’ve searched and searched but I’m stumped.

Truck was running fine, died a few times and was able to get it going, fuel bowl was nasty, got that all cleaned out and fresh fuel to the engine.
Had someone come get the trailer I was pulling and was able to limp the truck home, severely unpowered on hills and white smoke.

Fast forward to having time to look at it, will not start at all.
I’m going to attach a link to my Forscan logs. (I’m not quite sure what I should be looking at so if I need to add any let me know)
RPMs appear to be reading, unplugging ICP (at least I think, drive side head by the HPOP) still no start.
Haven’t pressure checked fuel but opening the drain on the bowl appears to have good fuel.

OneDrive link to logs.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoLNOpln-yTFkV_KBu5Ck46p813R

I have Forscan windows with usb hook up but I’m very new to it so any help would greatly be appreciated.

2000 F350 ~250,000 miles, I first thought the injectors might have stuck due to dirt fuel, but now the no start has me completely rethinking that.


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Your link didn't work for me (probably on My Side, I don't allow much to come thru from the .net) BUT,,,

In any NoStart condition we want to monitor these 4 Important parameters while Cranking on the Starter;

ICP Pressure ~ (in PSI plz, the PCM requires something over 500 before it will trigger the IDM to fire the injectors)

IPR% ~ (shows how Hard the system is having to work to make that ICP pressure)

CRANKING RPM ~ (PCM requires above 100rpm ~ 150 is typical)

CRANKING Voltage ~ (in an '02 PCM requires it not drop below 9v, in a 2000 and under not below 10v)

Here's where I'd start, I would want to closely monitor both the ICP pressure and the IPR% to compare what they're reporting, while it starts & runs "right" and when it doesn't. These two sensors work together to control the HiPres Oil for the injection system. In particular, the IPR% tells you how Hard the system is having to work to make and maintain that pressure you read from the ICP.

The Value you read (that %) is how much of the time, during each cycle from On to Off (this is the Pulse Width % from Closed to Open) that the little valve (pintle) inside is moving back & forth. So,,,, the Higher the % number the Longer it's Closed during that cycle and the Less oil it's bleeding-off (raising & maintaining the ICP pressure). And that's how the system works, the HPOP produces more pressure & volume than the engine needs and the IPR regulates the pressure, that the PCM decides you need at the time, by bleeding away the excess.

Normally the IPR starts at 14%, the engine runs and it rises up into the 20's, as you drive it does what the PCM tells it to do (hopefully) by a chart it has relating to the engines needs (Load, Rpm, Throttle position, all sorts of stuff). When the IPR rises much above about 40% we get concerned, over 45-50% You're having a problem (it actually can't really go above about 65%) and is an indication your HiPres Oil system is struggling to keep-up.
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Your link didn't work for me (probably on My Side, I don't allow much to come thru from the .net) BUT,,,

In any NoStart condition we want to monitor these 4 Important parameters while Cranking on the Starter;

ICP Pressure ~ (in PSI plz, the PCM requires something over 500 before it will trigger the IDM to fire the injectors)

IPR% ~ (shows how Hard the system is having to work to make that ICP pressure)

CRANKING RPM ~ (PCM requires above 100rpm ~ 150 is typical)

CRANKING Voltage ~ (in an '02 PCM requires it not drop below 9v, in a 2000 and under not below 10v)

Here's where I'd start, I would want to closely monitor both the ICP pressure and the IPR% to compare what they're reporting, while it starts & runs "right" and when it doesn't. These two sensors work together to control the HiPres Oil for the injection system. In particular, the IPR% tells you how Hard the system is having to work to make and maintain that pressure you read from the ICP.

The Value you read (that %) is how much of the time, during each cycle from On to Off (this is the Pulse Width % from Closed to Open) that the little valve (pintle) inside is moving back & forth. So,,,, the Higher the % number the Longer it's Closed during that cycle and the Less oil it's bleeding-off (raising & maintaining the ICP pressure). And that's how the system works, the HPOP produces more pressure & volume than the engine needs and the IPR regulates the pressure, that the PCM decides you need at the time, by bleeding away the excess.

Normally the IPR starts at 14%, the engine runs and it rises up into the 20's, as you drive it does what the PCM tells it to do (hopefully) by a chart it has relating to the engines needs (Load, Rpm, Throttle position, all sorts of stuff). When the IPR rises much above about 40% we get concerned, over 45-50% You're having a problem (it actually can't really go above about 65%) and is an indication your HiPres Oil system is struggling to keep-up.
I apologize I just saw your reply. I’ll check these and follow up.


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ICP plugged in. I hope this means something to someone. Appears no pressure on the ICP?

I will post with ICP unplugged next.

I also have these saved in CSV, and Forscan. If that’s better to post.


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ICP unplugged.


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Hopefully I have done this correctly, page 1-11 is ICP plugged in, 12-21 is unplugged.

Attachments

OMG,,,, 21 pages! ;) (I just make 4 Gauges and watch where they peak)

You are WAY Over Complicating this stuff, the Graph is much more than you need, but it certainly tells the story...

It appears you have no ICP pressure at all. That's a problem!

Do you have Low Pressure Oil pressure (called EOP in Forscan)? This is what keeps the HPOP reservoir Full and as you crank you should be seeing the Oil Pressure Gauge in the Cluster rise-up. With the engine Off, you can remove the little Allen Plug in the reservoir Lid and "dip" down into the res to measure the oil level in it (should find oil starting at @1" down) and this would tell you if you have a good Supply to the HPOP.

I know this sounds "too basic" but,,, have you looked at the dipstick? ~ hehehe
OMG,,,, 21 pages! ;) (I just make 4 Gauges and watch where they peak)

You are WAY Over Complicating this stuff, the Graph is much more than you need, but it certainly tells the story...

It appears you have no ICP pressure at all. That's a problem!

Do you have Low Pressure Oil pressure (called EOP in Forscan)? This is what keeps the HPOP reservoir Full and as you crank you should be seeing the Oil Pressure Gauge in the Cluster rise-up. With the engine Off, you can remove the little Allen Plug in the reservoir Lid and "dip" down into the res to measure the oil level in it (should find oil starting at @1" down) and this would tell you if you have a good Supply to the HPOP.

I know this sounds "too basic" but,,, have you looked at the dipstick? ~ hehehe
Over complicating is a understatement. Haha. Anyways, so yeah…. We’re full on oil now…. And also pulled the plug and topped the HPOP it was about half way. Still didn’t start, going to pull logs now.

I’ll try not to post 21 pages this time.


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Well, we got start. I’ll post the current log. As I try to decode it myself.



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Well, so that now shows ICP but,,,, that 95% IPR is telling us that the PCM isn't happy with it.

But, before I get in to that, where's Battery Voltage? (I see GEM something).

GAUGES,,, go to Gauges, make 4 of them I see no advantages to the graphs ;)
Well, so that now shows ICP but,,,, that 95% IPR is telling us that the PCM isn't happy with it.

But, before I get in to that, where's Battery Voltage? (I see GEM something).

GAUGES,,, go to Gauges, make 4 of them I see no advantages to the graphs ;)
I looked for gauges I didn’t see any? All I saw was tables? Or this?

Anyways, I don’t know what I did but after replacing the mystery lost oil, it appears to be doing fine.

Please report back on the gauges, on maybe where to find them. I clicked everywhere with no luck.


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Well, so that now shows ICP but,,,, that 95% IPR is telling us that the PCM isn't happy with it.

But, before I get in to that, where's Battery Voltage? (I see GEM something).

GAUGES,,, go to Gauges, make 4 of them I see no advantages to the graphs ;)

This this the closest I found to “gauges” I was thinking like a dial gauge.

Either way, I appreciate your help. If I learned one thing it was don’t over think things….


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