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So guys I’m new here, if you didn’t catch my intro post I just started work at the ford Kentucky truck plant as an electrician. I’ve been watching for info on the new motor design and it looks like there is a great foundation for performance and with all these changes I’m waiting for this truck to come out and excited to get into the motor and see what can be done. This wouldn’t be my first diesel that I’ve made some power with but this one I definitely want to get into heads and internals. Plus it would be awesome to be one of the first ones to do that magnitude of work. I plan on getting a single cab 4wd truck and just get bare minimum options because I’ll strip it down as much as I can but I do want to keep it street legal in a sense. But I’m already saving to hopefully just buy it for cash so I can already start putting the money into the good stuff. The biggest thing I need to find out is who to get into contact with regarding big things like head work, cam, tuning, and anything else affected by the changes as I know in the long block I believe the only thing that isn’t changing is the crankshaft. I’m not sure if anybody would be willing to work with me to get their hands on the new motor and test it out or not because I’m not anybody special but who knows. If anybody knows of anything or finds any info let me know and hopefully this will continue to something pretty good once it comes out.
 

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how many big name shops have you spoken with yet?
Rudys?
Midwest diesel Auto?
Fleece?
Firepunk?
No Limit Fab?
Warren Diesel?
 

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I haven’t spoken with anyone yet as I wasn’t sure who was more focused on Powerstrokes and may be more willing to help which is some info I was hoping to get. I’ve always dealt with cummins so I wasn’t 100% sure, but I assume these are who I should be contacting? I’m not sure if I should wait to get the truck or go ahead and let them know my plans and see if they have anything to say, because I’m sure someone is more serious if they actually have a truck but obviously that’s not an option right now. I haven’t really been able to do anything like this before so I wasn’t sure which way to go about it.
 

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why a new 2020 platform that has very little info out yet about aftermarket (if any) performance?
sounds like an expensive and drawn out shot in the dark
 

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No there isn’t any info out yet about aftermarket, most of the motor has been redone this includes a new 36k psi injection system with all new injectors that are suppose to be spraying up to 8 times per stroke, also a newly redesigned turbo however I plan to swap it out anyways. This is supposedly expected to add 40hp and 80lb.-tq. Also with a stronger block and heads and they are shortening the piston and making longer rods to improve rod angle.along with other changes this seems like it’s worth the wait and will be a great motor for performance. Plus I love this stuff and somebody’s got to be the first one to do it, even though I doubt it will be I want to try my best to be up there to show what it’s capable of also just to say I did. The performance market for it will come, how long it will take who knows, but it’s not really a shot in the dark if there are more than enough companies out there already waiting to do what I’m doing but they just have the tools, equipment and knowledge that I lack. It may sound stupid now but would it of been if I wanted to 6 months from now when they’re out and products could already be hitting the market?
 

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I hate to tell you but you are getting into the deep end of the PSD pool. Talking to shops that will be doing the same thing as you may be your best bet for info and help. Good luck.
 

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That’s what I’m trying to do, figure out who may be the best bet for getting in touch with, who is going to have the best results and not just anybody that is willing to play with my parts. I’ve contacted a few, but wether I’ll get responses over something as big as this I don’t know, but we’ll see. Hopefully something turns up but either way I plan on putting it all here for everyone to see.
 

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I'd also join up on powerstrokearmy.com if your looking for guys who are building newer 6.7s and see what their doing.
that stuff doesn't happen here
 

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Why even touch the internals? The 6.7 improvements will increase how much cylinder pressure the engine can take and more fuel on tap. You will not be able to change anything on the drivetrain until tuning arrives. HP tuners will likely be at the head of the game in building the software. If your planning on really building one of these engines I hope you have deep deep pockets. Since it is not a new engine there is alot of info on the 6.7 out there and how to build them for big power.
 

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I do know this, but everything has its limits and the possibility to raise these limits no matter where they are at currently with the updated design coming out is the whole point. I don’t want to add parts til I found out what breaks it then build it all over. I want to get this motor, marvel at how good it already is stock for a few minutes then tear it apart, get measurements and have new rods and pistons made, have the heads worked over, etc. then add parts and go farther than I would of in the first place and not have to waste money on finding the stock breaking point. I didn’t want to do this to go play at the drag strip a few times a year and drive it back and forth to work everyday. I want to do this because I’m proud to work at the ford truck plant and want to be one of those to show just how far it can go and dedicate it to drag racing. I don’t like bringing up income because nobody knows what someone makes, it could be a lot or a little but i understand it’s a lot of money to anyone. But the only thing that matters is ford takes care of me pretty well and I wouldn’t want to get into something I can’t accomplish in a reasonable amount of time. Maybe it won’t be a good idea to go, maybe people won’t make the parts to really modify this motor, but I guess that’s what I’m trying to find out is if it can be accomplished, if some company out there would take the time to develops parts if someone is willing to pay.
 

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Well tuning will have to come first beforw any changes can be made. Since the 2020 will still be using a bosch injection system the tuning software for the current 6.7s may work with some software modification. Time will tell I just hope ford doesn't lock down the PCM like GM does now. The internals are going to be strong. Steel pistons is an industry first for light duty engines. The longer rods to compliment the new pistons will reduce stress. The turbo will be a VGT with a electronic actuator for quick response. Considering the current 6.7 internals can handle up to the 700hp ish range with stock internals conaider this new revison will be capable of much more...
 

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And there lies the dilemma, it does no good to start the build if no one will be able to tune it, I see a lot of companies who have a lot to offer for older models who carry minimal aftermarket parts for 6.7. I hope the aftermarket industry continues and thrives but who really knows. It really is pointless to do it if no one will make these parts or tune it, that’s why I want to get ahead of the curve and find companies who are willing to. However the only response I have gotten is from a company who said they weren’t venturing into the 6.7 basically. I thought I made it clear I wasn’t asking for handouts but wanting to put the money towards making these parts but no such luck. The internals should hold a lot of power, if timed correctly. Just like the 6.7 cummins dare I say it, the design of it is strong, I had one with stock internals that should of been a 900hp truck and held together perfectly because of the long rod helping the rod angle. I never could get the true number though as it would only build 50psi on the dyno producing an uncorrected 720hp while on the street it would build 65psi with ease. But that just to add to the belief the 2020 will be a stout motor. But even if it can hold 1000hp on the stock internals, what could it do with simply billet rods in place of the stock ones? So hopefully things will come together, I’d love to see what a fully built 2020 model with modified fueling and air could do.
 

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The 6.7 has already been built past the 4 digit mark on the dyno plenty of times. Typically thats with spray. I do not know what the highest fuel only 6.7 is. SPE did over 1000hp on fuel only back years ago. When software is there to tune these 2020s they may just be capable of 1000hp. Time will tell. They are coming with aome new goods. The 10 speed auto will be the roll of the dice. I hope they have the bugs worked out as I am planning to order a 2020 450.
 

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I know they have, it’s extremely easy especially with only tuning hitting 600hp. But I’m not talking about the capabilities of the 17-19 engine, I’m talking about the completely redone 2020 motor. And I know it will be even more capable of hitting 1000, but I’m not talking about just 1000, I’m talking maximum reliable output. So this isn’t something that has been done yet because it’s not out so the parts and tuning aren’t there yet and who knows if (or when for some things) they will. So that’s what this is about.
 

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Anyone can buy the tuning software it just costs money and time
 

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My point is there's usually a few years before anything is tuned to achieve good repeatable results. Sure someone will get their "Mexico File" running but it will still take even MORE time to get the whole package done right to prevent problems. Don't expect "perfected" tuning before the 2021 trucks are being shipped out.
 

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This whole thread is nothing but "what ifs" and "we'll see" speculation. It sounds like you want to get a 2020 on day 1, and on day 10 have 1500hp. It doesn't work like that. Where Heavy already said there are companies who haven't nailed down the 17-19's yet, look how long it took 6.0's to be perfected.

If you really want a 2020, buy one and drive it. You will be more than pleased with how it is even in stock trim, and my guess when it's deleted and tuned it will be even more intense than the 11-19 trucks were, and you might find that totally feasible and stop there.
 
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