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I was just reading up on the new F350. Am I wrong on this?

Ford says the max capacity for the pay load is 7,850 pounds.

7,850 pounds. That’s almost 4 tons.

How is this thing even called a one ton anymore? That’s almost a 5 ton truck! It is a 4 ton truck! You need a crane to lift the assembled springs on a 5 ton truck.

I had no idea they got up that high these days. And towing 37,000#?!

You used to need a Truck with the name Mack on the hood for that.

Am I reading this right?!? Or am I missing something here? I must have been living under a rock for sometime now.
 

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guys I know that had to have 450 duallys are now sporting 350's and their backs are singing praise LOL
Yeah. Wow. I’ve never actually used a 450.

I know my 04 was good for something like 4,000# in the box. I thought that was nuts. Ive had maybe 2000# in the box max. I don't know how or what would even be 8000# in it.

Anyway. Just wondering if I’m missing something here.
 

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I want to say that 7k+ payload is on the single cab DRW version truck.



Another forum member posted his new truck numbers:
2020 F350 DRW CC KR 176" 4.10 axle loaded
Payload 5235lbs



People are saying the F450 DRW is better for the steering radius, but loose some weight capacity to the F350 DRW.
 

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The ratings have been going up for years now. Heck, my father's reg cab Tacoma will haul almost a ton.

The trucks have always been "strong enough" to hold that kind of weight as the frames never really changed until the redesign, but the axles have been getting beefier, and therefore brakes got bigger. And the transmissions got stronger and the cooling systems bigger and better.

So really the trucks could always carry these loads, but couldn't actually move them safely (by the standards).

I have a 2000 F250 diesel and the new F150's are rated for nearly as much as my truck
 

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Campers have gone up in weight to match trucks too. My artic fox 1150 dry bath is 6k wet. 450 has no issue. Can’t imagine what that kind of weight would do to some of the f250s I’ve had in the past.
 

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air bags wont fix max srw tire capacities or sway

i have a lot of custom suspension going on with my F250 to carry my 5k Arctic Fox anywhere near comfortably

but lets face it the comment that the ratings are going up is true I really don't see the components changing to such an extent that you can say " oh I can see why they have tripled the capacity" a lot of the ratings were #'s games the increased capacity of the F350vs F250 with just a 1' taller block in the rear was always a good discussion point

IMO anyway
 

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Airbags would solve that no problem:grin:
Huh? No. Airbags just take all the weight and bypass the multi-million dollar ford R&D process and suspension and hard transfer the weight right to the axle. Which isn’t designed to handle it (in this example- 250). Airbags are for morons.
 

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Campers have gone up in weight to match trucks too. My artic fox 1150 dry bath is 6k wet. 450 has no issue. Can’t imagine what that kind of weight would do to some of the f250s I’ve had in the past.
Airbags would solve that no problem<img src="http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/images/Powerstroke_org_2015/smilies/tango_face_grin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
Never say airbags when Jet is around.
 

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air bags wont fix max srw tire capacities or sway

i have a lot of custom suspension going on with my F250 to carry my 5k Arctic Fox anywhere near comfortably

but lets face it the comment that the ratings are going up is true I really don't see the components changing to such an extent that you can say " oh I can see why they have tripled the capacity" a lot of the ratings were #'s games the increased capacity of the F350vs F250 with just a 1' taller block in the rear was always a good discussion point

IMO anyway
Well I agree with you on most of that, you know i did plenty to my last truck to get it to tow, the new 450 just does it better. The 4:30s and the 6.7, the 450 brakes, the DRW. When you get one you’ll never look back. When I tow now it’s like not even towing. I’ll always give it the attention it deserves but you can literally forget your loaded. My four previous superdutys (srws) we’re not like this. I love it. For the few times I’m unloaded or towing light, I miss the SRW. But just saying zmann when you haul that AF camper with a DRW you going to wish you didn’t wait as long. Oh ya, I’m not an air bags guy lol
 

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Huh? No. Airbags just take all the weight and bypass the multi-million dollar ford R&D process and suspension and hard transfer the weight right to the axle. Which isn’t designed to handle it (in this example- 250). Airbags are for morons.
That is why I installed SuperSprings SSS-3 spring stop blocks. They cause the factory designed overload Springs to engage soooner. Factory designed and installed overload Springs for a reason, air bags or timbrens bypass them.

The rear of my truck used to drop 2 1/2 inches when I hitched my 5th wheel. Now it drops less than 1/2 inch. Headlights hit the road properly and truck rides great!

HTTPS://www.supersprings.com/shop/sss-3/
 

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That is why I installed SuperSprings SSS-3 spring stop blocks. They cause the factory designed overload Springs to engage soooner. Factory designed and installed overload Springs for a reason, air bags or timbrens bypass them.

The rear of my truck used to drop 2 1/2 inches when I hitched my 5th wheel. Now it drops less than 1/2 inch. Headlights hit the road properly and truck rides great!

HTTPS://www.supersprings.com/shop/sss-3/
These work great sir, had them on my last two superdutys. Worked very well. Don’t effect ride when not towing, never need maintenance or replacement. My 450 doesn’t sag as much as my 250s did. Still might get this bump pads. I like how you can cut them down too, then you can make sure both ends of the overload Engage at same time.
 

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These work great sir, had them on my last two superdutys. Worked very well. Don’t effect ride when not towing, never need maintenance or replacement. My 450 doesn’t sag as much as my 250s did. Still might get this bump pads. I like how you can cut them down too, then you can make sure both ends of the overload Engage at same time.
The ones that needed to be cut down have been replaced with a new design. There is now a removeable spacer. Install one with the spacer and the other without. Fit perfectly out of the box. Also now fit GM and Ford.
 

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Air bags are great to keep the truck at the right ride height, it will keep your head lights properly aimed and transfer some weight back to the front axle, not quite as good as a weight distributing, but for people with different heavy trailers, is a better solution, THAT IS IT, they do not increase you pay load or towing capacity.
 

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I have no problem with airbags as part of a solution however I am not a fan of the inboard style and the erector set some MFGs use to lock on to the rear bump stop tang

the over the leaf style is what I prefer and it keeps all the weight over the factory axle mount

the early overload engagement bumpers are great for those who have overloads Torklift sells some options also for those with only the OEM lower overload

 

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I came across the video for Roadmaster Active Suspension and at first they seemed to be a great solution.
Video says you can "increase your payload" at 00:45. The first photo I attached comes from the video description.
The second attached photo comes from the manufactures website https://activesuspension.com/faqs/
I think it kind of contradicts the video. What do you all think?
Has anyone every used them? It seems like a good upgrade but after going to the website I don't know.
 

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