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you could have a fully built long block from SPE or EDE for less than $24000
 

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LMK if you need a referral. You should be able to get a brand new Ford engine installed by a Ford master or senior master technician for around half that. It'll be at an independently owned shop though.

I have found that the best Ford diesel techs typically go out on their own and away from Ford corporate
Yes I would be interested in your referral. Thank you for taking the time to respond
 

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Poormanscat, thank you for the info. What would the possible outcomes or accomplishments be to make it worth spending $1600-$2000 on failure analysis? I will do it in a heart beat if it would accomplish some sort of resolution. I'm still in shock and new to a repair bill this steep so I apologize if I'm missing something obvious.
I would approach Ford about participating the in the repair of the engine. They have covered some over 100K miles for broken crankshafts along with valve failures.
Document everything and ask for some help!
 

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All that aside, if you gotta keep the truck and gonna have to spend over 20K, I'd contact DESTROKED about doing a CR Cummins swap and see what they offer.
 

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Bought this 2011 4-door loaded Lariat with a 6.7 Diesel engine that was highly touted as the best diesel truck ever.

I service the truck religiously and baby it. Never been in the mud, never abused. Driving to an appointment yesterday and the truck started knocking then violently shaking from the engine. I pulled over immediately and turned her off. Looked under the front of truck and 13 quarts right there on the ground.

Had the truck towed to dealer and today find out the 1st and 5th cylinder are showing nothing. They removed the oil pan and crankshaft is jumping around freely. The long block is shot. The short block is shot and apparently the turbo and all. The sympathetic diesel mechanic felt terrible telling me that the entire engine and components need to be replaced.

The damage: $24,233.67........ Although he can tell I immediately shut the truck down due to no evidence of blowback in the exhaust, he said it was a possibility that I could be required to pay another $3,000-$4,000 if the exhaust showed damage after engine replacement.

I have no idea what to do. This truck cost $60,000++ and is only 3 years old with 124,058 easy miles on it. I owe money on it still so I am at a loss.

Any suggestions? Should ford cover this basically totaled truck? I'm in the midst of the dilemma and need advice or help from someone not emotionally tacked with a $24,000 estimate.

My plan is to cover every site on the internet with this info and contact ford to see if they will stand behind the product. This truck has cost me thousands with the exhaust sensors going out time and time again while leaving me stranded on the side of the road. I will not rest until everyone is informed of this and Ford stands up to their mechanical workmanship failing. Any attorney interested, please contact me.


Very sorry to hear your troubles. Three years, that's tough to swallow. But you're doing a good job keeping your cool.

If I may make a suggestion or two, IMHO,

1) ask to speak to their head mechanic, shop foreman, or someone who knows what is what in that shop. You are not getting the facts correct. (If they stick to their story, ask off them to point out the 'long block' and the 'short block' to you, and the parts listing cost for each that you will have to pay for! Then post it on here! I have a feeling this is more of a misunderstanding...

2) for a few bucks, find another good, reputable shop in your area, I'm sure you can find one. Have it towed there and and spend a hundred bucks asking for their opinion/estimate. You may find a whole new story there. Something affordable until you ate no longer upside down in this thing.

3) unfortunately, you are out of warranty. Lawyer can do nothing for you (from my experience anyway, but it doesn't hurt to make a quick phone call Monday morning, you never know)
Ford will probably not do much for you. Definitely worth jumping up and down in front of the service manager in his office...
Make sure to do it on the next nice day, when they have lots of customers around to over hear. Make sure to explain in such a way that everyone in the dealership knows what the problem is, not rudely, no profanity, - just loud and clear. Do not give them a reason to discount you or ask you to leave due to language or silly threats, ...legal action threats, yes, lots of them!
They never like that, and every now and then, the owner may just make an exception to your case. I've been there and done it a few times. I run several trucks, and have won some and lost some arguments. I won more than lost with them. GM and Ford.

4) find another source for an engine. Google it. Many out there, used, rebuilt/OH, junk yard etc. Take your chances with the exhaust. It's probably ok.
Rebuilt you can buy for $11+K, long block. Used, junk yard, probably find one for $5k or less.

I will be interested to hear what happens. I have been to a few dealers looking at new 6.7's over the past couple of days to start replacing a few trucks.

Good luck.
 

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Is the other $12000 for labor? That seems like BS to me.

Part Name: Engine Complete Assembly

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Is the other $12000 for labor? That seems like BS to me.

Part Name: Engine Complete Assembly

Brand: Ford Genuine Parts

Part Number: 6007



Price: $12,069.53
6007 is not a real part number. Do you have the real part number for this?
 

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I would approach Ford about participating the in the repair of the engine. They have covered some over 100K miles for broken crankshafts along with valve failures.
Document everything and ask for some help!
Is the other $12000 for labor? That seems like BS to me.

Part Name: Engine Complete Assembly

Brand: Ford Genuine Parts

Part Number: 6007



Price: $12,069.53

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Part Description: 6.7L 4V V8 T/C Diesel ; Wide Frame (Pickup), With Low Sulfur Diesel Fuel Content; Complete Engine Assemblies May Only Be Available During Current Production Model Year
The estimate for the engine assembly I have says $18,410 and some change plus tax, gaskets and labor as yOu can see. told me it was an engine assembly? So apparently from all posters, who I appreciate. This is high? You can see a photo of the estimate in my original post or here
 

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Ahh its an Autonation dealer. That explains alot. Their service depts bend you over and stick it up your you know where without lube.

Their online parts house is the only thing they have going for them (They bought Tousley Ford)

Hell you can get the complete long block from their online parts order site for $12,500 plus shipping
 

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2011s and 12s only had a 5yr 60k warranty. You had to buy an extended to get to 100k
That is incorrect. The 5/60 is the powertrain warranty, ie: transmission

The diesel engine itself is 5yr/100k.

Here are the warranty terms:

3yrs/36,000mi Bumper to Bumper
5yrs/60,000mi Powertrain
5yrs/60,000mi Safety Restraint System
5yrs/ Unlimited Corrosion
5yrs/100,000mi Powerstroke Diesel ENGINE
 

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Nope that was a misprint in the manual. A friend of mine found out the hard way about 2 weeks ago
Interesting. I don't why your arguing about it anyway. He's 24k miles out of the warranty. I sure hope they help him out but I wouldn't hold my breath. I've had issues with vehicles that were 100% clearly stated it was under warranty but dealer would not fix it because I bought it from another dealer 3hrs away.

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every dealer is independent from ford. they just represent the name. from experience, do not lose your cool. it just gets worse. don't mention "lawyer" that is an automatic STOP on everything, even talking to you.
 

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They wanted $14,500 to replace my 08 F250 6.4. I found someone that got it down to $10,000. I had just paid it off so that helped me. I got $11,000 as it was and went and bought a 2014 F250.
 

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What's the cutoff as far as build date when they installed the updated valves, want to make sure I'm in clear
if the engine was built in either 2010 or 2011, it has a chance of having bad valves. Later 2011s have a lower chance. Early 11 models are almost guaranteed. Its just a matter of when one will fail.
When they pulled the heads off mine for an internal coolant leak, they found almost every valve had surface cracks and a few had actually guttered.
 

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Is there anything that can done in advance to prevent this? I have a 11 that was built 9/10. I saw TSB 12-11-11 but mine doesn't have any of the symptoms described in it.

Do I just have to wait and hope it happens before the warranty is up? I am concerned about this issue and have been researching it a lot the last few weeks and have not been able to find any information on how to prevent this or get it taken care of before it is a problem.
 

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if the engine was built in either 2010 or 2011, it has a chance of having bad valves. Later 2011s have a lower chance. Early 11 models are almost guaranteed. Its just a matter of when one will fail.
When they pulled the heads off mine for an internal coolant leak, they found almost every valve had surface cracks and a few had actually guttered.
I bought the truck in December 2010. So it had to be a 2010 build date
 
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