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post #1 of 29 Old 11-30-2019, 01:16 AM Thread Starter
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I've been watching this guy for a few weeks and he just uploaded a video of a PSD helping him to pull a trailer out of the snow.


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I watched this video. I was surprised to see that no one (Jeep or Ford) was using tire chains. They spent a lot of time slipping and sliding around when (to my way of thinking anyway) some good old fashioned tire chains would have helped a lot.

Any reason for NOT putting chains on the rear of my 2016 F-350 long bed? Four wheel drive is great, but I don't run big-lug tires. After 30 years of truckin' and chaining up on mountain passes, I've seen my share of 'big' pickups in the ditch.

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I have no experience that counts for anything when it comes to driving in those kinds of conditions we don't get much snow and when I'm in the mud it is usually for fun and when it's not the only recovery gear I have used are winches, shovels, tubafos, ect. In fact these guys have never used chains in the videos that I have watched. I was really surprised that the heavy diesel didn't get stuck to be honest.
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That little camper sure squatted down the back end of that truck a lot. Do the newer f250s have a softer rear suspension? I can haul a 3/4 ton truck on my 20 ft trailer with most of the weight in front of the axles and my F250 with factory leaf springs doesnt squat much at all.

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That little camper sure squatted down the back end of that truck a lot. Do the newer f250s have a softer rear suspension?
I think issue with that 'squat' had more to do with his low-slung hitch than soft suspension. He was dragging the front of the trailer because the hitch was too low. I was really surprised to see that. In my opinion, the guy in the Ford was totally unprepared for the job at hand. At the very least he should have had one of those multi-height fancy schmancy aluminum hitches you see in custom truck shops that you can adjust to fit whatever height trailer you plan to tow. Especially in THIS case.

And, as I mentioned above, no one having any chains really surprised me!

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I think issue with that 'squat' had more to do with his low-slung hitch than soft suspension. He was dragging the front of the trailer because the hitch was too low. I was really surprised to see that. In my opinion, the guy in the Ford was totally unprepared for the job at hand. At the very least he should have had one of those multi-height fancy schmancy aluminum hitches you see in custom truck shops that you can adjust to fit whatever height trailer you plan to tow. Especially in THIS case.

And, as I mentioned above, no one having any chains really surprised me!
You can see how much the rear tire is pushed up into the wheel well and it's sitting nose high, a taller hitch would have brought the trailer up more but it wouldn't help with the squat. I also noticed he has a 5th wheel hitch in the back, I wonder how it does when he tows it, any decent size 5th wheel will have double or triple the hitch weight of that travel trailer.

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You can see how much the rear tire is pushed up into the wheel well and it's sitting nose high
I went back and re-watched the video. You're right about that. I was so busy looking at that wrong sized hitch that I didn't notice the 'squat'. I don't think I'd call these guys to tow me after watching this.

Although I watched another of their 'recovery' vids and they seem to do alright most of the time.

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I went back and re-watched the video. You're right about that. I was so busy looking at that wrong sized hitch that I didn't notice the 'squat'. I don't think I'd call these guys to tow me after watching this.

Although I watched another of their 'recovery' vids and they seem to do alright most of the time.
I am not bashing Winder towing at all, I have watched most of their video's and they have always done a good job. I was just surprised at how soft of a suspension the rear of that f250 is. I recently looked at a 6.7 f250 and it only had 2 leaves in the rear pack not including the bottom short one. My 2000 f250 has the standard leaf springs in the rear and it has 4 leaves. I find it odd that the newer trucks are rated to tow and haul more yet they have a softer suspension. Maybe they expect that anyone who tows a lot will add airbags later.

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They got it done, but something a little more aggressive on that Ford other than an AT tire and some chains would have made a huge difference - not to mention the squat too! Geez...

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It was surprising to see how much that F250 squatted with the camper. Something can't be right with that.
I've never watched any of their videos but I didn't notice a company logo on the F250 so maybe part of why it didn't seem set up for "off road recovery" with an adjustable hitch and more aggressive tires. Wet heavy snow like that packs quickly and slicks over like ice and those standard ATs were not up for the challenge. And in the mountains like they are and not having tire chains seems very weird.

I will definitely have to watch some more of their videos.
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