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I'll be picking up a carli 4.5 setup here in the coming months. Working with a budget right now as well so I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I am either going to get the 4.5 commuter with the full progressive springs for the rear or I'll just be picking up a pintop system.

I wanted to know which setup you would go with an why. I don't do any high speed off roading. If anything its crawling through some muddy areas to get to the hunting cabin etc.

I know the pintop is the best and will give me the best ride but I can't do that with the full progressive springs in the rear. Eventually I would like the full setup with air bags but its going to have to be a building game from here so where would you start?
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Several thoughts in my mind:
1) Springs will last longer than shocks over the same driven amount miles.
2) Some people report shocks needing rebuilds at 50k or so...just food for thought. What is their warranty for the shocks?? How much is a rebuild?

3) Buying better shocks on OEM rear springs now may give you the better ride with a small load in the bed versus an unloaded truck with the full spring pack.....maybe....maybe not. Do you need the OEM load capacity?

4) Hey...it's only money....spend once, cry once.


What size tires/wheels are you going to use???



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I plan on running 38's on 18's with the 4.5 lift
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I'd buy the rear spring pack as an upgrade later on. The tire/wheel setup will give you TONS of ride quality with the pintop shocks.



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Hey guys,

I'll be picking up a carli 4.5 setup here in the coming months. Working with a budget right now as well so I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I am either going to get the 4.5 commuter with the full progressive springs for the rear or I'll just be picking up a pintop system.

I wanted to know which setup you would go with an why. I don't do any high speed off roading. If anything its crawling through some muddy areas to get to the hunting cabin etc.

I know the pintop is the best and will give me the best ride but I can't do that with the full progressive springs in the rear. Eventually I would like the full setup with air bags but its going to have to be a building game from here so where would you start?
I don't recommend the full leaves with the Commuter shocks as they were tuned for the add a packs specifically. When combined with the softer Deavers the truck can be a bit too soft and bouncy in the rear. I have customers that go that route sometimes if they plan to upgrade shocks in the near future but not too long as the rear Commuter shocks will get overwhelmed pretty quick.

Adding the Full Leaves down the road can also get costly due to the added shipping costs (we ship the leafs for free when purchased with the kit) and the extra work of doing the rear twice.

Based on your planned use you will probably be fine with the Backcountry Kit and full leafs. The Backcountry rides a bit better than the Pintop on pavement but can still handle some washboard dirt road driving with ease.
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I don't recommend the full leaves with the Commuter shocks as they were tuned for the add a packs specifically. When combined with the softer Deavers the truck can be a bit too soft and bouncy in the rear. I have customers that go that route sometimes if they plan to upgrade shocks in the near future but not too long as the rear Commuter shocks will get overwhelmed pretty quick.

Adding the Full Leaves down the road can also get costly due to the added shipping costs (we ship the leafs for free when purchased with the kit) and the extra work of doing the rear twice.

Based on your planned use you will probably be fine with the Backcountry Kit and full leafs. The Backcountry rides a bit better than the Pintop on pavement but can still handle some washboard dirt road driving with ease.
I greatly appreciate this advice and most likely take it. Just curious what makes you say that the backcountry handles better on road than the pintop?
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I greatly appreciate this advice and most likely take it. Just curious what makes you say that the backcountry handles better on road than the pintop?
It's all in the intended tuning of the shocks. The Backountry shocks are tuned with an emphasis on comfort for the street while being able to handle some moderate off road use. The Pintop's are tuned with more bottom out control on rough roads and you tend to give a up little small bump comfort with that. I have a 4.5 Pintop on my 17 and it rides darn good on the street but the 40's on 17's play a good role in that as well. Where it shines is on washboard and heavilly potholed roads at 50+mph.
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It's all in the intended tuning of the shocks. The Backountry shocks are tuned with an emphasis on comfort for the street while being able to handle some moderate off road use. The Pintop's are tuned with more bottom out control on rough roads and you tend to give a up little small bump comfort with that. I have a 4.5 Pintop on my 17 and it rides darn good on the street but the 40's on 17's play a good role in that as well. Where it shines is on washboard and heavilly potholed roads at 50+mph.
What is your wheel and tire setup to run the 40's and how bad do they rub?
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What is your wheel and tire setup to run the 40's and how bad do they rub?
40x13.5x17 Toyo MT's on 17x9 Racelines with 4.5" BS. With the Radius Arms, Full Leafs, Bumpers spacers, and some trimming here and there I have no rubbing:





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I don't recommend the full leaves with the Commuter shocks as they were tuned for the add a packs specifically. When combined with the softer Deavers the truck can be a bit too soft and bouncy in the rear. I have customers that go that route sometimes if they plan to upgrade shocks in the near future but not too long as the rear Commuter shocks will get overwhelmed pretty quick.



Adding the Full Leaves down the road can also get costly due to the added shipping costs (we ship the leafs for free when purchased with the kit) and the extra work of doing the rear twice.



Based on your planned use you will probably be fine with the Backcountry Kit and full leafs. The Backcountry rides a bit better than the Pintop on pavement but can still handle some washboard dirt road driving with ease.
Thanks for the perspective. I need every ounce of OEM capacity on my SRW 2019 F350 (and may need stable loads to help with that). Am I to assume that I shouldn't change out any aspect of the rear if I go with a backcountry kit?

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