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|08-06-2019 07:49 AM|
Originally Posted by guitarnut View Post
Are we hearing stories of any of these common rail, EGR, DPF, DEF engines going untouched, 3, 4, 500K or beyond? I'm not, so I won't say they are not out there.
My personal choice, I can't think of letting loose of $80k for a vehicle that I'm quite confident my current vehicle will outlast, which I have less than half that in. I would actually like to retire some day.
BTW, I've seen a few $100K priced models. I'm sorry, that's insane! If you can do that, I'm happy for you, but if I spend that on a vehicle, it better be red and Italian.
|08-06-2019 12:37 AM|
Originally Posted by ChrisArnold View Post
Wild Bill Hewitt sells refurbished 6.0s for 30k.. granted they are beautiful with new motors and will go another 200k after he does his thing (he says this and I believe him) but there won't be any parts for it when you get to the 200k to keep it running.
Also, wild Bill's shop no longer does 7.3s (and won't touch the 6.4) so it is a sign of things to come. Plus new mechanics don't know the 7.3.
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|08-06-2019 12:17 AM|
Originally Posted by RJC2 View Post
That's a scary long time to own a truck.
|08-05-2019 11:42 AM|
|PDR60||I own both a 96 obs and a 2002. They are both CCLWB with the 2002 being a dually. I paid 7500 for the 96 back in 14 and 6000 for the 2002. Both are southern trucks without any rust. The price for the 02 was low because it needed an engine rebuild. It's in that process now with a 480hp build going on. The 96 is my dd and it's been flawless. Never been stranded and do all my own work. Its never been to a "shop" while I've owned it. It's now got 327k on the original injectors and is still going strong. In fact, I just added a bypass oil filter on it. It's been converted to e-fuel and is the only vehicle I can count on to start Everytime the key is turned. Both are standards so the weakest link is not even in the picture. I've done a couple of E4OD overhauls/updates/mods and I like the ZF'S a whole lot better. These engines are really pretty simple and they're a breeze to work on. Some tasks are a bit more challenging than others but at least I can do all the work.|
|07-30-2019 08:34 AM|
Originally Posted by Pmedic920 View Post
Rust free except some surface rust in the bed and roof. Post some pics of your lady. Here's mine.
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|07-30-2019 07:09 AM|
I have to assume most of you are guys that have owned your truck for a long time. Not a bad thing, it’s a simple observation.
In my particular case, I just bought my first ever diesel truck.
2000 f250 CC 7.3. 182k miles. It’s a clean trk with a few minor problems.
I’ve been daily driving a Jeep Unlimited Rubicon that bought new in “17”. Ive upgraded a bunch of stuff to make it better off road, and I wanted to be able to trailer it to the trails. I also wanted to stop daily driving the Jeep.
I’ll be driving the truck b&f to work.
I’d guess that these older 7.3s vary substantially in price based on regional location. Here in the Houston Tx. area, these trks. are popular and probably priced higher than they are in many places.
I paid 12,200 and that’s a little below average but the trk I got is in significantly better shape that what I found to be average.
I could have gone directly to the dealership and financed a new truck with all the bells/whistles. Easily would have been north of 50k, probably closer to 60k.
I got a decent trk at a fair price based on what I found available in my area. My wife isn’t embarrassed to ride in it(and she’s picky). I was able to pay cash. I feel like even though I’d be above actual value, I can put another 10k into this trk and for about 1/3 of the cost of “new”. That’s a whole lot of playing around money left over.
Don’t get me wrong, I like nice things, and a warranty is always nice. The new Trucks are beautiful (regardless of brand), and I fought with myself over the decision. But at the end of the day, I think it was a no brainer.
IMHO, this really boils down to a money issue. I/we do OK but do not flow in excess spendable money. Most people don’t.
If money was no object, no way I’d have bought a 20 y/o vehicle with 182k miles on it but I’m happy with it. I’m no mechanic but I can change parts and actually enjoy turning wrenches. I’m looking forward to getting another 200k miles out of this truck, I’m looking at it as another automotive hobby. That’s an aspect of the question that I wouldn’t have if I had purchased “new”.
This forum is a wealth of information, and I appreciate y’all for your contributions.
I’ll be leaning heavily, y’all can take that to the (figurative) bank.
|07-29-2019 12:17 AM|
Originally Posted by AlaskanEngineer View Post
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|07-27-2019 02:18 PM|
Alright, I normally don't chime in on the "political" sort of rants regarding these trucks, but reading this thread kind of reminded me why I love my truck and it seemed a perspective that was not yet represented. Simply put, I can work on it, even under poor/harsh conditions. Also, it is simple enough and roomy enough under the hood that field repairs can be made. Also, the design encourages me to do maintenance. Combine all those factors together, and it is exceptionally reliable. I often drive 300+ miles to nowhere, summer/winter, and I am not about to tolerate something that has high likelihood of stranding me sans the ability to fix it. I don't know anyone at AAA with HAM radio, and cell phones only work the first 30 miles or so of most of my stomping grounds.
Some might argue that an even earlier, simpler, roomier truck is for me, but I would argue that the 7.3L powerstroke from 99-2003 was the epitome of balancing power and torque with creature comforts and simplicity and reliability.
With a rigid preventative maintenance program, and going through and replacing rubber parts every 5 years, it is hard to get stranded. Carry a spare starter & alternator, a pelican case full of little misc stuff, don't ignore warning signs, etc. Send off oil for analysis at least every other oil change to watch for leaking injectors and bearings going out, and baseline the main parameters with Autoenginuity or something similar.
So, how hard is it for me to pull all my injectors, my IPR, fuel bowl, turbo, rail plugs, etc etc etc and inspect everything, finishing by swapping the o-rings & hoses once every 5 years or so? Not hard, plenty of room, and makes for a couple day winter project, which is in my nice warm garage and is generally quite pleasant. Plus I get to know more about the truck and notice other little things here and there that might be coming due for replacement. Can't say that digging under the hood of a 6.7 is similarly appealing, probably just wait for next thing to break instead of getting ahead of it. I definitely won't trust a truck to a shop when the consequences of misplaced trust are a night in a snow cave or crawling around under the truck in -40°F weather.
My 7.3L has just about 320k on original injectors, and yes it is my daily driver even at -40°F to -60°F. Cold starting is not a problem. I added the proper modifications myself to get there, not hard, again if you like to do things yourself and make sure they are done right.
If you are what I call a Jiffy Lube owner, who takes the truck to get serviced at a stealership or similar, and has it towed to a shop when it breaks, the 7.3L may or may not be for you and a 6.7 might be a comfier option that gets you the same lifestyle.
If you are a person who has a relationship with their vehicle, and don't let others work on it, both for reliability and economics, and you can't afford breakdowns, but would rather do planned maintenance to prevent as many breakdowns as possible, the 7.3L is probably the one for you.
Of course, to every rule and stereotype, there are exceptions, to each their own, not saying everyone needs to think like me, but consider this food for thought.
|07-26-2019 10:16 AM|
|greenskeeper||Some dope at my work just bought a used 6.7 to "occasionally" tow. By "occasionally" I mean the truck he replaced with the 6.7 was driven 7,000 miles in 11 years. Yeah....good luck with that lawn ornament that's costing you $600/month.|
|07-26-2019 05:38 AM|
|Jjorgis5569||To each their own really. Without people buying new, there wouldn’t be a used market. The last new vehicle I bought was in 1999. The thought of spending money on anything, especially something that depreciates is against my way of thinking, but a vehicle is a necessity in the US. I pay cash for everything, but I hate payments. After reading the “what did you pay for” thread, I’d be hard pressed to shell out 70k unless I absolutely had to. However I don’t fault anyone for doing so. We have a 350z that hasn’t seen 200 miles in the past 5 years. She typically just gets driven to town for a state inspection and registration sticker. Some people could start a thread saying “why would you buy a car and not drive it”? To each their own. There’s a saying in the car business-there’s an a$$ for every seat.|
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