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06-05-2017 06:37 AM
TurboSpin
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Originally Posted by fetorino View Post
I ran up to Willows CA to Sonoma and back to Orange CA pulling my fully loaded 40' gooseneck trailer and my PHP tune ran flawlessly.

Thanks to Jay this thing is magic now

The truck ran cool, had plenty of power up and over the grapevine and returned reasonable mileage. EGTs never went over 1100, usually around 800 when not pulling a big grade. ECT was normally 195 with a peak of 215 over the grapevine in 90+ ambient air temp and the EOT was typically 204 only spiking to 230 on the steepest part of the grapevine on that 90+ day.

My all AL radiator (not a Mishimoto but from the same supplier BPD uses out of AZ) and BPD 7.3 fan clutch adapter handled the cooling like a champ. The transmission temps also stayed nice and cool.

I was thinking of adding a PHP FICM tune but this thing is running so well I don't want to mess with success.

Thanks again PHP for the tune and Jetlock for his towing posts and review of the clutch adapter.
Do it. It is definitely worth it. It will be that much better.
06-04-2017 09:50 PM
fetorino I ran up to Willows CA to Sonoma and back to Orange CA pulling my fully loaded 40' gooseneck trailer and my PHP tune ran flawlessly.

Thanks to Jay this thing is magic now

The truck ran cool, had plenty of power up and over the grapevine and returned reasonable mileage. EGTs never went over 1100, usually around 800 when not pulling a big grade. ECT was normally 195 with a peak of 215 over the grapevine in 90+ ambient air temp and the EOT was typically 204 only spiking to 230 on the steepest part of the grapevine on that 90+ day.

My all AL radiator (not a Mishimoto but from the same supplier BPD uses out of AZ) and BPD 7.3 fan clutch adapter handled the cooling like a champ. The transmission temps also stayed nice and cool.

I was thinking of adding a PHP FICM tune but this thing is running so well I don't want to mess with success.

Thanks again PHP for the tune and Jetlock for his towing posts and review of the clutch adapter.
05-12-2017 10:16 AM
hamviper
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Originally Posted by Chatham036 View Post
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Originally Posted by hamviper View Post
Please don't take my feedback the wrong way. I am very happy with the tunes you provided and looking forward to working out the shifting on my daily driver when I finally get the truck back. I am disappointment in feedback like "find a different mechanic". This is like saying if the answer isn't what you want, don't understand the situation just get a different answer. If out of the discussion I feel like the mechanic messed up or lied in any way I will have the truck moved to the next closest mechanic or push to have the labor charges removed, I was only hoping to have a more pointed discussion to ensure all facts are represented. I was not intending to bash in any way, I in fact have recommended your tunes to 4 of my friends and in multiple places on this forum and others. I am though caught between you saying it shouldn't happen and the mechanic saying it shouldn't happen both pointing at each other and I can find no flaws in either argument. 20 + years of experience against 20+ years of experience. As the guy forking over the cash this puts me in a difficult and expensive situation.

Again apologies if this came across wrong. I should have posted the whole conversation to avoid any confusion. I have no intentions or desire for a refund, I want to continue with your products which I have used happily for the last 8 years both in my gas ford and now my diesel. I do hope others in my position can learn and do the whole job right the first time and maybe avoid my mess and all the frustration that comes with it, that was my only intent behind the post, do the o-rings if you have the opportunity and the cash.

Sorry again no offense or negative output was intended in my post.
I often find myself trying to make topics easier to understand in tuning that are very complex in nature. The issue I struggle with is that the easier I make the concepts to understand, the more inaccurate the values become since they are generalized. Due to this, often times it results in very quick/ short answer and I apologize for that on my end.

PS - What size shirt do you wear?
Thanks appreciate the support and your information. I'm a large. Get my truck back today, getting excited!
05-12-2017 08:06 AM
Patriot
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Originally Posted by Chatham036 View Post
the easier I make the concepts to understand, the more inaccurate the values become since they are generalized.
PS - What size shirt do you wear?
You are correct.

Large tall.
05-12-2017 07:58 AM
Chatham036
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Originally Posted by hamviper View Post
Please don't take my feedback the wrong way. I am very happy with the tunes you provided and looking forward to working out the shifting on my daily driver when I finally get the truck back. I am disappointment in feedback like "find a different mechanic". This is like saying if the answer isn't what you want, don't understand the situation just get a different answer. If out of the discussion I feel like the mechanic messed up or lied in any way I will have the truck moved to the next closest mechanic or push to have the labor charges removed, I was only hoping to have a more pointed discussion to ensure all facts are represented. I was not intending to bash in any way, I in fact have recommended your tunes to 4 of my friends and in multiple places on this forum and others. I am though caught between you saying it shouldn't happen and the mechanic saying it shouldn't happen both pointing at each other and I can find no flaws in either argument. 20 + years of experience against 20+ years of experience. As the guy forking over the cash this puts me in a difficult and expensive situation.

Again apologies if this came across wrong. I should have posted the whole conversation to avoid any confusion. I have no intentions or desire for a refund, I want to continue with your products which I have used happily for the last 8 years both in my gas ford and now my diesel. I do hope others in my position can learn and do the whole job right the first time and maybe avoid my mess and all the frustration that comes with it, that was my only intent behind the post, do the o-rings if you have the opportunity and the cash.

Sorry again no offense or negative output was intended in my post.
I often find myself trying to make topics easier to understand in tuning that are very complex in nature. The issue I struggle with is that the easier I make the concepts to understand, the more inaccurate the values become since they are generalized. Due to this, often times it results in very quick/ short answer and I apologize for that on my end.

PS - What size shirt do you wear?
05-11-2017 08:28 PM
ZMANN The relearn posted is just basic

The full version is more involved.

Or just drive it and it will eventually accomplish
The same thing
05-11-2017 07:49 PM
Patriot Well said hamviper. Welcome to POWERSTROKE.org. We'll get it figured out.
05-11-2017 05:16 PM
hamviper
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Originally Posted by Chatham036 View Post
What name was your tunes ordered under? Also what email address do you use?



Since you mentioned our email correspondence, I went ahead and posted it below so others can also get their take on the situation as it was presented to me.

Hamviper: Good afternoon,

I have a 2003 6.0 F250 I am running you atlas 40 FICM tune and the daily driver or performance 65 tunes. I had ARP head studs, rebuilt decked, etc heads done last year so I could safely use the tunes. Unfortunately I blew my head gasket again after

Me: I would recommend taking your truck to a different shop.
It is possible for the gaskets to give out again if the job was not done correctly.

The combination of the two files you are running should not have any issues

Hamviper: Jay,

Thanks for the response. Should not happen is probably not going to cut it in a discussion over a thousand dollars. Can you please explain how you know that? I do not live in an area where I can visit multiple shops with my truck. This particular mechanic has been working on ford diesels primarily for over 20 years and has performed 100’s of head gasket jobs on 6.0. He is not saying it is absolutely the tune he is concerned the combination of tunes has increased cylinder pressure sufficient to overwhelm the head gasket/head stud system. If you have some hard data, testing, statistics, anything to support the argument I can then work it out with him. I am moving to O-rings and 625 head studs to ensure no more issues, but I would also like to understand myself.

Thanks,

Kris

Me: If you are looking for accurate ‘hard data’ you would have to perform a mechanical cylinder compression test on your exact engine. There is not a generic or ball park test that can replicate the accuracy. The 65 Performance tune you are running has on average 2.5 degree of timing advance over an Ford Stock tune. At WOT in the upper end of the RPM band, your 65 P tune actually has 3 degree LESS timing that stock.

I can tell you that I personally ran our 140X tune and the Hercules on my bone stock truck for two years, towed thousands of miles (on the 140X + Hercules) and never experienced a single head gasket related issue in the 80,000 miles it was tuned in that configuration.

The thought that he allowed you to not o-ring the head when they were decked is also concerning. Large majority of PowerStroke specialty shops consider the o-ring to me mandatory when installing heads.


I am sorry your head gaskets blew a second time and it disheartens me that you put the blame at our feet. Your tuning (65 Daily & Atlas40) was not enough to blow the head gaskets if the head gasket job was done correctly.

The timing curves on a diesel are not linear. I cant just say at this RPM, the timing is 'x'. These trucks take A LOT of information into consideration from EOT, MFD, base timing, timing multipliers, etc.
I did my best to offer you accurate data for you to infer from but I stand by my statement. The timing desired via tuning had little to nothing to do with the blown head gasket.

--Edit--
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If you are not confident continuing to run our tuning, I will issue your card a refund for the amount spent. The idea that any of our customers feel that they wasted money with us makes my stomach turn.

Please don't take my feedback the wrong way. I am very happy with the tunes you provided and looking forward to working out the shifting on my daily driver when I finally get the truck back. I am disappointment in feedback like "find a different mechanic". This is like saying if the answer isn't what you want, don't understand the situation just get a different answer. If out of the discussion I feel like the mechanic messed up or lied in any way I will have the truck moved to the next closest mechanic or push to have the labor charges removed, I was only hoping to have a more pointed discussion to ensure all facts are represented. I was not intending to bash in any way, I in fact have recommended your tunes to 4 of my friends and in multiple places on this forum and others. I am though caught between you saying it shouldn't happen and the mechanic saying it shouldn't happen both pointing at each other and I can find no flaws in either argument. 20 + years of experience against 20+ years of experience. As the guy forking over the cash this puts me in a difficult and expensive situation.

Again apologies if this came across wrong. I should have posted the whole conversation to avoid any confusion. I have no intentions or desire for a refund, I want to continue with your products which I have used happily for the last 8 years both in my gas ford and now my diesel. I do hope others in my position can learn and do the whole job right the first time and maybe avoid my mess and all the frustration that comes with it, that was my only intent behind the post, do the o-rings if you have the opportunity and the cash.

Sorry again no offense or negative output was intended in my post.
05-11-2017 04:32 PM
R&Rpowerstroke Maybe it will load this time
05-11-2017 02:39 PM
R&Rpowerstroke
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Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
Got it. Still does a flare/lurch thing from 2-3. I'll try to play with the shifting on my end. Thanks for trying.
Atsg service manual page 6 has a program relearn. I saw it not sure if it works but worth a shot.
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