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post #11 of 22 Old 09-27-2019, 08:34 AM Thread Starter
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I guess that makes sense.
I wonder if they could up the rear axle rating and not the GVWR? I really only worry about the axle ratings when loading my truck anyway.


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I can’t speak to the 350 axles, but on the 450 the axle is severely derated over its capacity. In a pickup configuration it states 9900 RAWR but in a Cab and Chassis configuration it’s 13,660. Both trucks are equipped with the Dana Spicer S130 rear axle which is a medium duty axle rated at 16,000 RAWR.

So I think ford it’s just holding back on giving it the rating due to legality or other restricting factors.

I hear you on only caring about axle ratings though. My 2017 F350 SRW GVWR is 11.5k but adding my axles together gives me a 12,830 capacity. Fully loaded with my with fifth wheel, I’m over my GVWR but still 800 pounds under my rear axle rating.
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You were spot on with that guess.



They are limited by federal vehicle classing. Class 4 is limited to 14k GVWR and anything over requires commercial insurance and licensing. That’s why a 350 has higher payload than a 450 even though the 450 is a much more capable truck.
Huh, did something change in the past few years? I thought the 2009-2010 F450 had a gvwr of 14,500 but I may be incorrect.

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They are limited by federal vehicle classing. Class 4 is limited to 14k GVWR and anything over requires commercial insurance and licensing.


Can you post your references for this info???



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They are limited by federal vehicle classing. Class 4 is limited to 14k GVWR and anything over requires commercial insurance and licensing.


Can you post your references for this info???
He’s right just pulled this off eBay 2010 king ranch F450
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I'm going to need more than a door sticker picture that shows a FEDERAL vehicle classing specification and a requirement for CDL licensing and CDL insurance.



Post up a link to a Federal GOV site showing a direct vehicle classing specification, then include a Federal GOV link showing a CDL licensing and CDL insurance requirement.


CDL is ONLY for commercial drivers not private owners.



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Class 4 is limited to 14k GVWR

This is WRONG from what I have found. A Class 4 vehicle classification requires the front and rear axles to be like 23' apart at a minimum. Pretty sure that's NOT a DRW truck. That identifies something more in line with a bus.


See here: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publication.../13091/002.cfm



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More relevant: F-450 Limited





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Remember the term Commercial is KEY. I don't see anywhere below where a F-450 being driven by a private citizen fits a CDL requirement in anyway by Federal standards.


I see a CDL requirement when operating in commercial/commerce AND towing.



From: https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registrati...icense/drivers




Classes of License and Commercial Learner's Permits (CLP)

Pursuant to Federal standards, States issue CDLs and CLPs to drivers according to the following license classifications:
Class A: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater.
Class B:Any single vehicle which has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight that does not exceed 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).
Class C: Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73.



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Commercial is the KEY.



Class A: Truck and trailer GCWR exceeding 26,001 lbs
Class B: Truck GVWR exceeds 26,001 lbs OR towed vehicle GVWR less than 10,000lbs
Class C: Transporting 16+ PAX, or hauling hazardous materials, etc etc as above.


Plenty of states DO NOT require anyone hauling their personal RV/equipment/etc etc to posses a CDL. TX is one state in particular that uses the term "non-CDL" when identifying different DLs. They break out a "class" assignment for "non-CDL" drivers as they do with with the class of CDL. Seems to be confusing to me but whatever it's TX.



CDL=Commercial or commerce. Acting in such a manner requires one to be getting PAID for the work of driving/hauling.


So when people get here saying there's some "federal requirement for XXX" I ask where are they getting their info.

In this discussion I was wanting to read the "federal vehicle classification" as @Coops361 has read so I'm on the same page or can make my own decision as to what it says.


I think @Fishsizzle quoted the wrong post.



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Commercial is the KEY.



Class A: Truck and trailer GCWR exceeding 26,001 lbs
Class B: Truck GVWR exceeds 26,001 lbs OR towed vehicle GVWR less than 10,000lbs
Class 😄 Transporting 16+ PAX, or hauling hazardous materials, etc etc as above.


Plenty of states DO NOT require anyone hauling their personal RV/equipment/etc etc to posses a CDL. TX is one state in particular that uses the term "non-CDL" when identifying different DLs. They break out a "class" assignment for "non-CDL" drivers as they do with with the class of CDL. Seems to be confusing to me but whatever it's TX.



CDL=Commercial or commerce. Acting in such a manner requires one to be getting PAID for the work of driving/hauling.


So when people get here saying there's some "federal requirement for XXX" I ask where are they getting their info.

In this discussion I was wanting to read the "federal vehicle classification" as @Coops361 has read so I'm on the same page or can make my own decision as to what it says.


I think @Fishsizzle quoted the wrong post.
Huh?

Dude said he thought that 08-10 F450 had 14500 gcwr. Just found one that confirmed what he said. Go postal all you want. I had a commercial drivers lic for years. Drove semis up to 106,000

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Huh, did something change in the past few years? I thought the 2009-2010 F450 had a gvwr of 14,500 but I may be incorrect.

Your post was shown quoting me instead. It's all good.



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