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Do I need a Diesel?

Hey y'all!

I currently have a 2016 F250 gasser. Bought it new off the lot and from day 1 I have avg exactly 10 mpg between towing a trailer and not towing one.. Currently I avg around 8 mpg when towing a 7k lb trailer 3-4 times a week. On the interstate going 65-70, I can get about 16-17 mpg without a trailer.

I have found several 2018-2019 F250 diesels locally with under 20k miles for around $43k.

By going with a diesel, will I see any drastic increase in my MPG or should I just stay in my gasser?
Some folks I have spoken with have tried to steer me away from diesel.. They tell me the maintenance is high, they leak oil, always in the shop etc etc.. I would think this is true for older trucks... But for new ones?
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Switching to a diesel solely for MPG purposes is not the best idea. The maintenance costs will more than likely just negate the "poor" fuel economy in the 6.2. I mean....what did you realistically think you would get MPG wise with a Super Duty?

If you think paying more for diesel, and if you can squeeze out a few extra MPG's is worth it for you, and paying more for repairs when they arise, then by all means go for it. It's going to come down to what you want.
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based on cost savings/maintenance, stay with gas.

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Hey y'all!

I currently have a 2016 F250 gasser. Bought it new off the lot and from day 1 I have avg exactly 10 mpg between towing a trailer and not towing one.. Currently I avg around 8 mpg when towing a 7k lb trailer 3-4 times a week. On the interstate going 65-70, I can get about 16-17 mpg without a trailer.

I have found several 2018-2019 F250 diesels locally with under 20k miles for around $43k.

By going with a diesel, will I see any drastic increase in my MPG or should I just stay in my gasser?
Some folks I have spoken with have tried to steer me away from diesel.. They tell me the maintenance is high, they leak oil, always in the shop etc etc.. I would think this is true for older trucks... But for new ones?

Too be honest that's not bad fuel economy. My current 7.3 diesel gets about 16-17 avg highway empty and towing varies but usually:

towing the offroad truck or side by side-14mpg
towing the 5th wheel 10-13mpg
town/city-14mpg
highway empty/no trailer-16-17mpg average

You will get 1-3mpg better towing but maintenance COULD be more expensive: If you change your own oil, fuel, air filters you will not notice a big difference. The one big con is the emissions devices. Regens require the diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) and you get poor fuel economy when its in progress. Personally it sounds like you have a good situation but heck its your money so as long as you count the cost/small qwerks for a diesel you will probably brake even if not spend a tad more on maintenance cost. the 2013+ 6.7ls have a fantastic reputation. we have a fleet of 6.7 cummins/powerstrokes updated all to 2013/2014 plus that are worked hard every day and they are not in the shop any more or less than the few gassers we have etc.
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I see yalls point here. Why do folks go with a diesel if mpg will be slightly the same and maintenance will be higher compared to a gasser?
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Gasser: Cheaper up front, "down the road" in fuel costs add up.....

Diesel: Expensive up front, saves on fuel costs "down the road"....
So if you drove two trucks the same, the gasser will save on day one mile per mile. After 100k miles the diesel is going to show you where you spent your money.



That being said I'm hearing plenty of people jumping ship back to gassers due to it's lower costs even if you swap out a motor every 100k.



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I see yalls point here. Why do folks go with a diesel if mpg will be slightly the same and maintenance will be higher compared to a gasser?
because 1000 ftlbs of torque and smiles per gallon.
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Same as heavy. I picked a diesel based on cost overall. We bought a home and renting a truck was not a cost effective option and deliveries were a PITA to schedule. Plus for my driving style the gassers got the same if not worse then my past/current diesels and since I do all preventive maintenance and MOST repairs I saved money in my overall annual cost of ownership. Its different with each person though. I technically have no need for a pickup with my current job/house situation but I choose it since its paid off, and allows me to tow the side by side/trailers.

Personally your situation sounds like the gasser is doing just fine and that's never bad. My situation was just a bit different where the 5th wheel weighed over 10k lbs, and sure a gasser could probably do it but im just not gonna take going 30-40mph up hills when for a few dollars a month extra I could maintain a safe speed/better towing mpg. Plus my truck is loaded 995 of the time it moves, if not I have a car for the short trips. So it just comes down to:

What you can afford
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I would not pay attention to the generalized statements of diesels just leak and are always in the shop etc. I bought my current 1999 from the original owners estate and he had the dealership paperwork and maintenance since its delivery. I have less then $3000 in maintenance and repairs and it only went to the shop for one of the repairs. My 1999 also does not leak a drop after I spent less than $500 of the above $3000 to replace some o rings, and a couple of oil lines etc.
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I'd say, If you're going to be towing a lot, go diesel. Gas engine's torque number is near what the horsepower is (+ / -). Diesel's torque numbers are near double the engine's horsepower number (+/ -). Nice to have the extra torque if you're towing a lot.
If you're towing a couple times a year or more in the summer taking the boat to the river / lake near by -or- RVing in the summer, you could probably stay w/gas and just "live with it."

Now....don't forget to factor in the "I just want a diesel, Dang it!" My '01 is in my signature below. 258K+ on the clock, runs like a top, still pulls my 5er just fine! If I quit RVing, I'm keepin' the truck....'cuz I want a diesel Dang it!!!


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My trailer towing every day is for my job. When the trailer is empty, 3-4k lbs, truck tows good, barely know its there. But when loaded. Damn, takes forever to get uptown speed. Guess that is where the extra torque comes into play?


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I'd say, If you're going to be towing a lot, go diesel. Gas engine's torque number is near what the horsepower is (+ / -). Diesel's torque numbers are near double the engine's horsepower number (+/ -). Nice to have the extra torque if you're towing a lot.
If you're towing a couple times a year or more in the summer taking the boat to the river / lake near by -or- RVing in the summer, you could probably stay w/gas and just "live with it."

Now....don't forget to factor in the "I just want a diesel, Dang it!" My '01 is in my signature below. 258K+ on the clock, runs like a top, still pulls my 5er just fine! If I quit RVing, I'm keepin' the truck....'cuz I want a diesel Dang it!!!
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