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5th Wheel Towing Question

I have a '17 F250 Powerstroke 3.55 axle CC and I am moving up from a TT to a 5th Wheel. Only to find out my payload is 2000#. Am i crazy for trying to match a 10,000# GVR/2,000# payload with a Cougar 368mbi 12,000# dryweight with 2,000# pin weight? I was surprised to find many folks said it would be fine, but the numbers put me over. GCWV is 23,500# i think.
I figured id ask the experts on here for help. Love my truck, but wish the payload was a little more.

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I like to tell people not to look at dry weights. About the only time you tow dry-ish...is when you pull it off the lot. When it's "RV Trip Ready," it won't be dry. General rule of thumb is a 5er has up to 20% king pin weight. The only way to accurately know what you're towing is to weigh it at a scale.

What does your owners manual say is the GCW for your truck?


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Well it all depends on if you want to be legal or not. I'd say you are good no problem but if you are trying to be legal that is a totally different story.
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I have a '17 F250 Powerstroke 3.55 axle CC and I am moving up from a TT to a 5th Wheel. Only to find out my payload is 2000#. Am i crazy for trying to match a 10,000# GVR/2,000# payload with a Cougar 368mbi 12,000# dryweight with 2,000# pin weight? I was surprised to find many folks said it would be fine, but the numbers put me over. GCWV is 23,500# i think.
I figured id ask the experts on here for help. Love my truck, but wish the payload was a little more.

Thanks,
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Many folks say lots of things are fine. Overloading a truck with your family and a 5th wheel is never a good idea. Your owners manual will show your trucks specs and how to find it GCVW. its usually a chart that you match your trucks configuration to and it tells you. Its not wise to exceed that. I am cautious but I would subtract 2,000lb from the max when you look at trailers. like Supercruty said your trailer will never by at its (dryweight) again most likely.

With water, supplies, solar, and people its not hard to exceed 1500-2000lb if you bring a generator, bikes, grill, and stuff.

*If insurance claim is made and your truck is overloaded by sticker weight almost always they will deny it. adding air bags, higher rated hitch, timbrens are helpful but they do not increase the gcvw for insurance and dot.

*some states have even more strict than the general 26,001 rule EVERYONE mentions but never understands... for example in CA if your 5th wheel (true 5th wheel) weighs over 15k you need a non commercial tag added to your regular drivers license. PLUS if your flatbed or hauling trailer has a capacity of 10k or more you need a commercial flat out. *minor exceptions for ag within 150 miles and stuff.

Check your local regulations but always subtract 1500-2000lb from your max and grab a trailer that way and you're almost always in good shape

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Many folks say lots of things are fine. Overloading a truck with your family and a 5th wheel is never a good idea. Your owners manual will show your trucks specs and how to find it GCVW. its usually a chart that you match your trucks configuration to and it tells you. Its not wise to exceed that. I am cautious but I would subtract 2,000lb from the max when you look at trailers. like Supercruty said your trailer will never by at its (dryweight) again most likely.

With water, supplies, solar, and people its not hard to exceed 1500-2000lb if you bring a generator, bikes, grill, and stuff.

*If insurance claim is made and your truck is overloaded by sticker weight almost always they will deny it. adding air bags, higher rated hitch, timbrens are helpful but they do not increase the gcvw for insurance and dot.

*some states have even more strict than the general 26,001 rule EVERYONE mentions but never understands... for example in CA if your 5th wheel (true 5th wheel) weighs over 15k you need a non commercial tag added to your regular drivers license. PLUS if your flatbed or hauling trailer has a capacity of 10k or more you need a commercial flat out. *minor exceptions for ag within 150 miles and stuff.

Check your local regulations but always subtract 1500-2000lb from your max and grab a trailer that way and you're almost always in good shape
So often quoted but never, ever, substantiated. Post one instance of a denied insurance claim. The door sticker sicker is “manufacturer recommended weights” Ford don’t make laws only suggestions. Fine to a have a flawed opinion but posting it as fact is a fowl. Difference in 250/350/450 is springs, gears, brakes so ya, bigger is better and safer, but can it be done, sure.

OP, at least your educating yourself, kuddos. Can your truck handle it, yes. Would a dually be safer? Always. Will you be breaking any laws? No.

As mentioned CA is trying to get people over 26k to get an endorsement but as far as I know they don’t care what truck you drive, they just want the $$$

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I did a short stint for Caterpillar right after leaving the Air Force in California in 2014. Newer driver had a F350, 10k trailer, mini ex, attachments, and more. Failed to stop and busted two cars at a 4 way.

Was an 06 F350 drw fairly well maintained, adjusted trailer brakes, controller set up etc. was 4K over weight according to research on all equipment and specs. Claim denied because their was evidence the driver knew he was over and had done it intentionally numerous times in the past after an investigation on trucks delivery logs. Yes it was a rear end but they mentioned exceeding manufacturers recommended capabilities and more. Led to a bunch of restraining for all drivers, yard, dispatch etc.

So fact of the matter is an insurance company can deny when a vehicle is overloaded. I’m well aware that the chassis is nearly identical on the 250/350 and very similar to 450+. Ford don’t make the laws but when someone knowingly and numerously exceeds “manufacturer recommendations insurance has every right to deny the claim generally speaking. There are always more variebles but it happens to Cat in the short time I was with them. So it can happen to private drivers too.

I may come off as overly cautious but when someone is new to hauling 5th wheels it’s a good idea to be extra careful until they have miles.
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Just checked the Owners Manual. 6.7L Diesel 3.55Axl w/Tow Package, GCWR= 25,700#s Based on my estimates I will be under this weight even when i load up my 5th Wheel. Does this GCWR make it safer?
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I like to tell people not to look at dry weights. About the only time you tow dry-ish...is when you pull it off the lot. When it's "RV Trip Ready," it won't be dry. General rule of thumb is a 5er has up to 20% king pin weight. The only way to accurately know what you're towing is to weigh it at a scale.

What does your owners manual say is the GCW for your truck?

My Owners Manual says 6.7L 3.55axl with Tow Package GCWR=25,700#s This will make everything even when loaded under the GCWR, right?
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I’m guessing you will be under the 25,700 GCWR but you may be over the GVWR of 10,000.
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so you're saying the insurance wouldn't pay for the accident because the driver was heavy? you know they had to pay for the other cars damage ?
can't just say sorry about your car but our client broke a rule and you're not getting paid.

your insurance company would spend less to pay out then drop you then prove the weight was the contributing factor IMO

if this was the case a lot of insurance claims could be denied for DUI,Tired,wearing flipflops,having a cat in the cab ,drinking hot coffee
ETC can all be willing desicions that cause an accident
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