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Ford guy all my life, looking at getting first Powerstroke. 2nd gen 6.7L questions..

So I have been doing research lately on what Powerstroke model is right for me and my needs. I have always thought the 6.7L had a great reputation, but I have been reading about the Turbo issues (ceramic bearings) in the 2011-12 model 6.7L

To be honest, lately I am kind of leaning towards a 2007 6.0, and just bulletproofing it. What is really nice is I can find a low mileage 07 6.0 for less than $30k, and they are still a new enough truck to be a nice truck. I have a wife and kids and spend alot of time in the mountains scouting and hunting and I also carry alot of heavy tools in the bed for work (will probably get a screw longbed). I just want a very powerful, reliable truck with decent MPG (I know, pick two lol)

With that said, I really want a 6.7L, especially considering this is a true Ford diesel motor.

My question:

Are the second-gen 6.7L (2013+) good trucks? Or do they still have their own set of issues?
I also heard that 2015 got a torque bump to 850 but also another upgraded turbo?

Would like to know which 6.7L is the one to get right now. Thank you very much.

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It's all about your budget. I own and drive every day: 2007 6.0L and 2012 6.7L. The 6.0 is stock, CCLB, 160K miles or so. The 6.7 is now deleted (after 100K warranty was up), CCLB, currently has 113K miles.

Both have been great. I think any turbo issues were limited to cab & chassis trucks, and early 11's had some problems that got sorted out pretty quickly.

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To answer your question, yes, .01% of 2013+ 6.7s (though I think you mean 15+ 2nd Gen 6.7) are plagued with problems. Extremely unreliable and will probably leave you and your family stranded at the worst possible times in the deadliest places a human could visit.

The other 99.99 of 2011+ 1st gens and 2015+ 2nd gens are extremely reliable and will give you 200,000+ carefree mile.....

So Shop with caution!!!! FORD Super Duty sales dwarf the competition, which means you could end up with one of these killers. (about as likely as ending up with AIDs walking through an airport)


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So I have been doing research lately on what Powerstroke model is right for me and my needs. I have always thought the 6.7L had a great reputation, but I have been reading about the Turbo issues (ceramic bearings) in the 2011-12 model 6.7L

To be honest, lately I am kind of leaning towards a 2007 6.0, and just bulletproofing it. What is really nice is I can find a low mileage 07 6.0 for less than $30k, and they are still a new enough truck to be a nice truck. I have a wife and kids and spend alot of time in the mountains scouting and hunting and I also carry alot of heavy tools in the bed for work (will probably get a screw longbed). I just want a very powerful, reliable truck with decent MPG (I know, pick two lol)

With that said, I really want a 6.7L, especially considering this is a true Ford diesel motor.

My question:

Are the second-gen 6.7L (2013+) good trucks? Or do they still have their own set of issues?
I also heard that 2015 got a torque bump to 850 but also another upgraded turbo?

Would like to know which 6.7L is the one to get right now. Thank you very much.

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Yes, will be first diesel. I've mostly been a 5.0 pushrod guy (Ford) until now.
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I got my 2015 Powerstroke the end of March. The only problem I've had is at 1500 miles when a pair of skis flew off the roof of the car in front of me on the interstate. I ran over one and it cracked my water separator housing and left me at the side of the road. Now in mid-October, I have over 18,000 miles and no issues. I pulled my 10K fifth wheel across country and back and got 12.5 mpg. A similar trip with my 2011 Ecoboost two years earlier barely got 10 mpg on premium gas.

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Yes, will be first diesel. I've mostly been a 5.0 pushrod guy (Ford) until now.
actually 2015 440hp and 860 torque.

Me having one personally with only 7000 miles on it, I think their bad a$$. So far no issues with mine.

They are a beast so they are safe, there is a post in here about a member claiming he will always own one because he was able to walk away from a bad wreck, and he believes the SD saved his life.

I do know my kids rather drive it than their own stuff. lol

They are big so second guess the parking spots and drive thru's

Diesel means there are some things to watch and keep up with than a regular Gasser but, it is worth it if you like them. So I wouldn't expect you to come back on here after a purchase of a diesel and complain of the loud engine noise right? lol

Also, some good deals on used ones out there or better personal options on used ones for you possibly?


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Tony made great points. You might be confusing the 13 refresh with the 2nd gen engine. The 13 refresh really only consided of upgrading the interior to support MyFord Touch 8" nav, auto up and down front windows, a change in Sync and a slightly modified tailgate (added trim and platinum option). Other than that, you have yo get a 15 or 16 for the hp and tq increase of the 2nd gen engine.


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actually 2015 440hp and 860 torque.

Me having one personally with only 7000 miles on it, I think their bad a$$. So far no issues with mine.

They are a beast so they are safe, there is a post in here about a member claiming he will always own one because he was able to walk away from a bad wreck, and he believes the SD saved his life.

I do know my kids rather drive it than their own stuff. lol

They are big so second guess the parking spots and drive thru's

Diesel means there are some things to watch and keep up with than a regular Gasser but, it is worth it if you like them. So I wouldn't expect you to come back on here after a purchase of a diesel and complain of the loud engine noise right? lol

Also, some good deals on used ones out there or better personal options on used ones for you possibly?
Thanks, I appreciate the reply.

Back to the 6.0, part of me likes the idea of being able to really bulletproof it and have the freedom to be able to work on it myself, as oppose to the new 6.7L that is so complex and has so many emissions parts, you really have to have a certified mechanic work on it if you want to stay in Warranty, am I right on this point? I love to tinker with motors, and I like to work on Fords (although my diesel experience is none). Again the price point for a 6.0 for me would be more manageable at $25k then say $45k for a nice used 6.7L.

But, the 6.7L is a much, much nicer truck, and like I said I was really excited about the 6.7L until I saw the PowerstrokeHelp videos talking about the ball bearing (ceramic) issues. But also I realize this is a mechanic telling these stories, and he probably sees the worst of the worst. I also lean towards the 6.7L because like I said, this is a TRUE Ford motor, not an International/Navistar piece.

But according to you guys, it sounds like only the 2011 and 2012 6.7Ls were affected by this, and only a small percentage of those models at that.

So is it safe to assume that if I can get a 2013 or newer 6.7L that Ford has ironed out the issues? Are there any complaints about the 2013 or newer 6.7L?

Also, how big of upgrade did the 2015 model get? I know it got a power bump (and a new turbo?) but I wonder if it is substantial enough of an upgrade to warrant paying the extra money for a 2015 - especially considering the 2017 model is right around the corner.

Thank you for your time and patience! Now, do I want a short bed or long bed? that is another question I keep going back and forth on. My neighbor has a 6.0 supercrew longbed, very nice truck.
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Tony made great points. You might be confusing the 13 refresh with the 2nd gen engine. The 13 refresh really only consided of upgrading the interior to support MyFord Touch 8" nav, auto up and down front windows, a change in Sync and a slightly modified tailgate (added trim and platinum option). Other than that, you have yo get a 15 or 16 for the hp and tq increase of the 2nd gen engine.
Yes you are correct, my apologies. I was under the impression that the 2011 and 2012 had the turbo issues, so Ford released the 'refresh' in '13 with the 2nd gen 6.7L, but I was mistaken. So it sounds like Ford addressed the turbo issues in those models and the 2013+ 6.7L is good to go. Still curious if the 2013+ models have any known issues that should be concerning at all, but it doesnt sound like it. Heck, it doesn't even sound like most of the 11-12 models are at much of a risk.
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