First time power stroke buyer
Good morning gents and ladyís,
I am a first time power stroke buyer. I am looking to get a 05-07. Mainly bc itís before emissions control well before they got IMO not diesel friendly. Well on to my question how many miles is to many miles for a stock 6.0. I know there are a lot of variables to consider like what kind of driving was done prior if there was hauling or towing done. If the truck was a work truck. Not to mention how often and what kind of service has been done to the truck. I am just curious on what you guys think or if any of you have a cut off for mileage and why.
This is my first post ever in here so I apologize if itís a topic already covered or if the post is in the wrong section.
DEF was my reason for picking the 6.0. Mileage isnít an issue imo with one caveat-as long as the truck was well taken care of. Since itís a given most people will lie during a sale, and good service records are few and far between, assume most have been ragged on. I bought mine with 150k, but considered some with 200-250k. I was out of country when I bought mine, and it looked good from pictures and videos. I was told it just had oil cooler and egr cooler replaced as well. After getting the truck, CEL popped on for egr insufficient flow. Noticed some copper flakes around the degas bottle and the egr was deleted. The copper flakes began my ďoh ****Ē moment and then I made an appointment to have her studded. My advice would be to pick a truck with a nice interior and exterior, and negotiate a price expecting to shell out 5-7 grand. That way you wonít be surprised, and will still have a warm and fuzzy feeling. Keep in mind it will probably need tires, and thatís a grand minimum for a good set. Thereís a place in Arizona that does some good videos on trucks they sell, and I almost picked one up from them. There are a lot of nice bulletproofed trucks out there for 12-15k. Just donít be in a hurry to buy your new toy.
This was one I missed by 10 minutes. An 02 with 08 bodywork
Don't buy a 6.0L until you get educated on them and their weaknesses.
Learn about monitoring them and then buy an engine parameter monitor BEFORE any test drive. You can get smartphone software and an ELM327 adapter for a total cost of under $50. My preference is the ForScan Lite app. It is a good code reader as well as an engine scan tool.
You may be tempted by trucks already "bulletproofed". In actuality, the term bulletproof has no real definition so it can mean many things. It also does not guarantee that quality parts were used and that the installation work was done correctly.
Most people expect 500k miles out of a diesel. That is probably not going to happen w/ a 6.0L unless you stick with it and spend some fairly big bucks on repairs. That is just my opinion. I realize it could happen, just don't think the odds are with you.
Personally I think the best bet is a low mileage stock truck that you upgrade with reliability mods after you get it.
Some of the things to look for when using a scan tool:
- oil cooler health
- high pressure oil system health
- FICM health
- injector health
Lots of threads on using scan tools and lots of threads on buying used 6.0's.
After you find one you like, I would also take the truck you were interested in to a dealership and have them check the fuel pressure. A truck that has been run with low fuel pressure will probably have expensive injector issues.
Be prepared for steering and suspension work around 150k to 200k (ball joints, tie-rods, drag links, shocks, stabilizers, cab mount bushings, etc). Brakes also - maybe those happen every 100k miles or so.
99% of folks will probably consider this going overboard, but I have a pressure gauge that I can quickly tee into the degas bottle radiator vapor hose. With it, and a few miles of test driving, I can get a quick test on potential head gasket issues. Not hard to make.
I just bought mine last week. Picked up a 2003 F-350 Crew Cab 4wd auto with 6.0 Powerstroke. My truck has 103k miles, 1 owner, dealer maintained, completely stock and never had any major problems. Owner just put on new tires and had front ball joints all replaced. The only thing I don’t care for is the rear captains chairs and rear center console.
Anyhow the truck runs great. No leaks, never been beat or wrecked. Being in Ohio it does have some rust typical in these parts but I’ll live with it since I didn’t buy it for a show truck, I need to use it for towing construction equipment occasionally and just normal use, not my every day driver.
I’m currently in the process of changing all fluids, filters and doing a complete flush of the cooling system. After that I may get the Edge CTS monitor as bismic suggested in another post and keep an eye on things before I dive into changing things.
Anyhow this is my second Powerstroke, first was an 03 with 7.3L. First off DONT RUSH. There are a lot of trucks that people have modded and beat on etc. look for a stock truck at or around 120k miles that’s been taken care of. Usually by then most things have been fixed and plenty of life left in the truck. You can tell a lot just from talking to the owner! I’ve spoke with sellers before that get aggravated for asking questions. Steer clear of them. Someone who loved and cared for the truck will tell you all about it.
And personally I prefer to buy from private sellers vs dealers. A private seller usually knows more about the vehicle than a dealer will.
Anyway, back in the day I finally decided to call Ford and International about their thoughts on the longevity of diesel engines. After some initial stumbling and fumbling, they both pretty much said the same thing which was around 300,000, could be more, could be less. I mentioned that this number was probably about the same as a gas powered engine and I remember both reps vigorously agreed the that the two types of engines would be fairly similar in that respect but that the diesel would probably edge-out the gas engine.
There was certainly nothing scientific about the inquiry -- or the answers, way too many variables like a specific engine or the type of of workloads placed on that engine, etc., etc. I found it interesting that they both were willing to answer the mileage question and even more interesting when Ford declined to tout their more expensive diesel option over the gas engine. I guess the only take-away here is that both reps said basically the same thing in separate phone calls made to each.
I am currently looking for excursions and have a 6.0 F250. As far as a mileage limitation, I use 190K when I do a Craigslist search and that yields me 10 results for a 4WD diesel excursion in my valley of 4 million people. Only real reason I use those miles is that is what my truck has now, so I feel I know what to expect.
With those miles, like @bismic said, I would expect to spend a couple of thousand a year in repairs and maintenance to keep it going. At this age, a 10 year old bulletproofed truck will still run into things like steering, replacing injectors, all in the near future. Bulletproofing really means the engine is stout, not anything else related to the truck. The oil change alone is at least $100 with four gallons of oil and a decent filter and could be as high as $200 for an additive for stiction, and those are every 5k miles. That $2k is for me to plan for and does not include gas.
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