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I noticed the ARP threads to be insanely smooth. And that is due to their way of rolling the threads, not cutting them. Although this technology is not rocket science I would be surprised if the counterfeit parts are as smooth. Are they? If they were I'd be inclined to believe they might be good quality counterfeits maybe. lol
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I noticed the ARP threads to be insanely smooth. And that is due to their way of rolling the threads, not cutting them. Although this technology is not rocket science I would be surprised if the counterfeit parts are as smooth. Are they? If they were I'd be inclined to believe they might be good quality counterfeits maybe. lol
Even if the counterfeits had nice threads, how would you know about the quality of steel used or the heat treat process. Genuine ARPs might be expensive but they're top quality.

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I'm getting some from Amazon this week. I'll post pictures...they better be real!
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I'm getting some from Amazon this week. I'll post pictures...they better be real!
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Even if the counterfeits had nice threads, how would you know about the quality of steel used or the heat treat process. Genuine ARPs might be expensive but they're top quality.
I'm in no way defending the use of knockoffs! Just noting that if they went to the trouble of rolling the stud, sourcing the right material would be less trouble. Regardless, materials and fastening science are way too complicated to trust anybody else than who is established in the market. I'm in the middle of my job. I had bought extreme studs but just lost confidence in them for several reasons. Ended up installing ARPs and now I am fighting a battle to return their studs. Really hard people to deal with.
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Yea, ARP kinda set the tone. Same with BPD. Sure there are other companies in the same markets, but they have set the bar so high that just about everything else is thought to be inferior because of pricing. It's not because of the size of the company and you're buying their name, they have it millions of dollars into research and quality to ensure that the customer gets what they're paying for.

Just look at our engines, people say they are "bulletproofed" once the problem areas are taken care of when in actuality they're just "fixed." A "bulletproofed" 6.0 in my opinion means that the upgraded parts come from none other than Bulletproof Diesel

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Yea, ARP kinda set the tone. Same with BPD. Sure there are other companies in the same markets, but they have set the bar so high that just about everything else is thought to be inferior because of pricing. It's not because of the size of the company and you're buying their name, they have it millions of dollars into research and quality to ensure that the customer gets what they're paying for.

Just look at our engines, people say they are "bulletproofed" once the problem areas are taken care of when in actuality they're just "fixed." A "bulletproofed" 6.0 in my opinion means that the upgraded parts come from none other than Bulletproof Diesel
I hear a lot of people saying that. I'm a big fan of BPD myself, but the word bulletproof and its use in defining a solid well built and dependable engine (or anything else for that matter) has been around a lot longer than the company bearing the name. IMO, you can absolutely "bulletproof" a 6.0 without using any parts from BPD. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, nor would I say that engine would be any better than one using BPD parts and properly assembled, but the fact remains, it is possible, IMO. I know that's not a popular stance on this forum, but it is what it is.
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I'm not saying that the term is a trademark of the company, that it hasn't been used before, or that a 6.0 can't be solid with parts from other sources. There's no denying the enormous increase of the term since BPD came to the playground. In my eyes there's a difference between a bulletproof engine and an engine that has been "bulletproofed." I had a guy get angry with me because I low balled him on his truck. He said it had been "bulletproofed" and knowing that it has become a household term I asked the origin of the parts, the studs were no name eBay pieces, heads weren't even taken to a shop, and the EGR "delete" was a home welded job with freeze plugs. Absolutely nothing about that engine was bulletproof but the term has become synonymous with addressing problem areas of the 6.0 Powerstroke even if they aren't addressed properly as they should be
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