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Oil change at 3220 and now at 5100 Needs another??

I bought a new 2018 F150 3.0 Diesel on 5-30-2019. It had 630 miles on the odometer.

On 9-20-2019, at 3200 miles the "Intelligent Oil Life Monitor" (P536 of the Owners Manual [Ver February 2018 Third Printing]) indicated that the oil needed changed. I took it to a local Ford Dealer for an oil change. When I got home, I studied the invoice and determined that they used synthetic designed for gasoline engines:
The invoice indicated that this oil was used:
XO-5W30-5Q3SP
XO-5W30-Q1SP
Both of the above is the same oil. The top number is 5 quarts and the bottom number is 1 quart. I researched these numbers and they are specifically for "gasoline engines", NOT diesel.

The proper oil to be used is Motorcraft SAE 5W-30 Diesel Motor Oil: XO-5W30-QFA
This is documented on pages 428 and 429 of the owners manual.

Dealer towed the Truck back to their site and put the proper oil in it. I had only driven the truck about 5 miles.

Well, now on 01-15-2020, at about 5000 miles the "Oil needs changed" message came back. LESS THAN 2000 miles since last oil change at 3220 miles!

Now granted, I drove mostly city stop and go miles and I did drive conservatively for maximum mileage.

My Questions are thus:

1. Is this NORMAL to need to change the oil this frequently? $$$OUCH$$$.
2. Do you think the errant oil change done in September had anything to do with this?

I'm very concerned.
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Sounds like they didn't reset the oil life properly. Oil change in September other then not resetting the oil life monitor probably doesn't have anything to do with it.

I would not be concerned.
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The engine oil life monitors are guessing based on drive input. because you are stop n go more often it will come on more often. There is ABOSLUTLEY no reason to change the oil at 3000-ish miles. 5k would be a very good number to start with. The engine oil life sensor isn't actually a oil analyzer like at a lab. its just showing the owners that the stop n go is harder on the drivetrain and oil but a good quality 5w-30 oil will not break down in 3000 miles for a daily driver rig. heck even my 1999 f240 that takes dang near 15 quarts of oil has had excellent oil lab results at 5k miles. That's towing a lot probably easily 2/3rds of those miles too. My truck is mostly a dedicated tow rig for camping, side by side, and large cargo to/from house/stores for the remodel.

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Thanks for the data.

I took it to the dealer yesterday and they reset the Oil Life indicator to 100% (it WAS at 2%).

Now that I know I can click on "Reset Oil Life" to view it and not actually reset it without holding "OK" down for 4 or 5 seconds, I can CHECK it at every Fill-Up and monitor it's setting. Note that you cannot get to "Advanced Settings" without the vehicle stopped.

With 5150 miles on the Odometer when the OLI was reset to 100%, the Service Agent recommended that I wait till 10K to change the oil. That's a 7K frequency given that the oil was last changed at 3020 miles.

Is a 7K frequency OK (Full Synthetic) or would you go with 5K (I.E. change it at 8K miles)?

Thanks in advance for your opinion.
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IMO 7k is fine. We change at 10k intervals (all superduties with 6.0/7.3/6.7 ) The only thing that would make me say 7k instead of 10k is your lack of oil capacity. Less than half of a full size diesel.

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OK, well here's a math update.

OLI reset at 5150 to 100%. I just checked it at 5238 and it's 90%. That's 88 miles for a 10% drop in the Oil Life Indicator. At that rate, I'd have to change the oil ever 880 miles.

Something seems wrong here. I drive stop and go mostly but I do drive pretty gently. My overall average mileage to date is 19.08 since purchase date.

https://www.yourmechanic.com/article...rent-minderler <--has a good description of the Ford Oil Life Indicator and based on that, I should expect 7000 + before the OLI tells me I need an oil change.

Video at https://owner.ford.com/support/how-t...e-MFPR0515OIL# stated that short trips (me) and extreme hot/cold (not me) should require 3k to 5k oil changes....AND the OLI will go of at 1 Year interval if not reset sooner.

So the OLI going off at 3200 could have been a 1 year notice...because the 2018 was, per the VIN, manufactured 5/2018. The indicator went off first at 3020 on 9/14/2019. Hum, that exceeds 1 year.

Anyway, can I even believe the OLI or should I just do a 5K change every time and ignore it???

Finally at https://www.fordf150.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=100380 I found an article that talks (see 6/6/2011 reply by user p38fln) about an "Oil Life Start Value" which implies that is something that can be set to control the OLI. Any idea if this is accurate and how that value can be viewed/set?

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OK, well here's a math update.

OLI reset at 5150 to 100%. I just checked it at 5238 and it's 90%. That's 88 miles for a 10% drop in the Oil Life Indicator. At that rate, I'd have to change the oil ever 880 miles.

Something seems wrong here. I drive stop and go mostly but I do drive pretty gently. My overall average mileage to date is 19.08 since purchase date.

https://www.yourmechanic.com/article...rent-minderler <--has a good description of the Ford Oil Life Indicator and based on that, I should expect 7000 + before the OLI tells me I need an oil change.

Video at https://owner.ford.com/support/how-t...e-MFPR0515OIL# stated that short trips (me) and extreme hot/cold (not me) should require 3k to 5k oil changes....AND the OLI will go of at 1 Year interval if not reset sooner.

So the OLI going off at 3200 could have been a 1 year notice...because the 2018 was, per the VIN, manufactured 5/2018. The indicator went off first at 3020 on 9/14/2019. Hum, that exceeds 1 year.

Anyway, can I even believe the OLI or should I just do a 5K change every time and ignore it???

Finally at https://www.fordf150.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=100380 I found an article that talks (see 6/6/2011 reply by user p38fln) about an "Oil Life Start Value" which implies that is something that can be set to control the OLI. Any idea if this is accurate and how that value can be viewed/set?
Does the OLI only move in values of 10% on your truck? Meaning, does it go from 100%, to 90% then 80%? or move by values of 5 or 1?

If it only moves by values of 10% it makes sense that it would drop to 90% almost immediately. Depending on how the algorithm is set in the computer. I Would wait and see how long it take to get to 80% and re calculate your numbers before anything else.

Also at somepoint you have to factor in your warranty. If you change the OLI on the truck, and then do your own oil changes and the truck blows up at 30k miles, you might not have a leg to stand on as they will say you never changed the oil. If you go to the dealer for oil changes every time this isn't really a concern though.

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I do a lot of the same type of driving and mine indicates it needs to be changed at about 9000 miles.

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