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Electric fuel system upgrade on veg conversion.

Alright, the time has come to pull the trigger and upgrade my veg system.

My current setup is a goldenfuel system on a '96 F-250. Check here for details:
https://www.powerstroke.org/forum/bio...ar-update.html

Planned upgrades are as follows:

Fuel bowl delete
Mechanical lift pump delete
Pollack valve delte

Install a check valve based system. The schematic is as follows:

d2 > filter > raptor > check valve > ball valve >stock banjo bolt and stock lines to back of heads.

veg tank > hot fox > HOH > Racor 1000 > FASS > check valve > FPHE > ball valve > front ports.

Also, the electric heater on one of my racors shorted out. So, as part of this I'm installing the aux coolant pump (See Clay Henry's aux pump writeup) and wrapping that Racor with hot coolant line. It takes about 15ft of coolant line to wrap the filter, so I thought that merited the aux pump.

This last weekend, I tore all the old stuff out. Getting the stock pump out was actually pretty straightforward (that was my biggest fear). I bought a 1 1/4 gear wrench and that made quick work of the banjo bolt.

Currently, I'm trying to figure out where to mount everything and piecing together fittings.

I'm going to try and mount the FPHE in the engine valley using the mounting holes for the fuel bowl. not sure if I can squeeze it in there, but it would be sweet to have it so close to the front ports.
Where do you guys mount your FPHE?

Also, I may just use the stock return lines to feed veg. The fittings are in good shape, so we'll see if I can make it fit.

BIG THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS HELPED ME PLAN, including ridiculously_necessary, vegginpsd, BruceM, Hheynow, Clay_henry, and others.

Pictures and parts lists are forthcoming. Stay tuned!
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Ok, this is my first stab at sharing photos, we'll see how it goes.

The bosch coolant pump is setup for 3/4" heater hose. I'm installing mine in the bed of my truck (at the farthest point from the water pump) where my lines are just 1/2". I had to install some reducers.
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Also, I bought mine from partsgeek.com and it did not come with the cord. The connections are a bit funky. You can find the link to the pump in the diy wvo parts thread.

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I soldered ring terminals to those posts and it worked just fine.
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EDIT: Whew, finally figured out the photos. What an arduous interface!

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A thought if you don't mind

I've got a Goldenfuelsystem on my 98 obs as well.

Not a big fan of it, purge time is ridiculous.

I've got the Racor1000 in my truck bed and it's fed with the HOH coming from the hot fox. My racor internal heater shorted out as well. And I replaced it with an external wrap heater and insulation from GFS ----- NOT IMPRESSED

Heating that racor is necessary in my opinion. So good call on a hose wrap and coolant pump.



Could I ask though, why put the filter on the suction side of the pump? That's the way my system is, and I believe it's so GFS could use the vacuum gauge to monitor the filter element. But I think the filter should be on the pressure side of things.
Relocating my filter is one of my future projects, and fuel bowl delete among others......




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my question/answer to that is, what pressure can that racor handle? if its 10psi there is your answer. i am curious about this though, anyone know for sure?

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Racor 1000fh 15psi and max 180gph

From a Racor website spec sheet.

Maximum allowable psi is 15

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Mike just sent me a link thats related to fass pumps. it mentioned that filters (with exception to pre-screens) should be placed on the pressure side of the pump. not required but reccomended. maybe racor has an element rated for 70psi?

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Yeah I'd personally think you'd get better performance out of a filter on the positive pressure side of the pump. The guys over at GFS put it on the vac side in an effort to reduce water emulsion from gearator pumps. Their effort is valid. but I just "feel" better with a filter on the positive side.

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203 degree Mod, DIY homegrown intake, CCV mod, battery relocation,
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The water block / water separator feature on filters only works on the vacuum side. On the pressure side the water and oil gets emulsified and won't separate.

That's one of the reasons why fass and pureflow use a two stage filtration process, the water separator on the vacuum side and the finer filter on the pressure side.

Aaron, I'll let you know how the coolant wrap works out. Seems like it will provide lots more heat than that wimpy pad heater and insulator GFS has. Also, while GFS claims that the 160 degree thermostats will work fine with the internal racor heater, the racor folks told me no way, that it will burn up their heaters. Looks like you and I are evidence of that.
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Yeah I'd personally think you'd get better performance out of a filter on the positive pressure side of the pump. The guys over at GFS put it on the vac side in an effort to reduce water emulsion from gearator pumps. Their effort is valid. but I just "feel" better with a filter on the positive side.
I didn't know that GFS did the filter on the vacuum side.
Greasecar does it too, the both got way too much Volkswagon on the brain. It dont work well on PSD.

Anyway- these filters ROCK! I have not seen anything better.

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They get to engine temp. Electric cant do that!

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Copper in the filter.

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I didn't know that GFS did the filter on the vacuum side.
Greasecar does it too, the both got way too much Volkswagon on the brain. It dont work well on PSD.

Anyway- these filters ROCK! I have not seen anything better.

Greasecar Vegetable Fuel Systems

They get to engine temp. Electric cant do that!

Saw this over at Frybrid...... copper is a NO-NO and brass is questionable?

Frybrid upgrade - Forums

Can any one else prove or disprove this

I mention it because I know allot of places use the copper heating coils. And if the heating coil is not in the WVO and only around the filter element then it's obviously an OK situation.

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AirDog2 and FASS HD (it's a WVO RR setup)
Simple Centrifuge filtering method
203 degree Mod, DIY homegrown intake, CCV mod, battery relocation,
215amp Ambulance Alt.
EBPV gut, Pedestal gut & cut
Diamond Eye 4" (3" dp) turbo back straight pipe :woot: no kitty, no muffler :nod:
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